I dunno, I think there's merit to the idea -- he's pointing to people who "like to complain" but don't like to try and do anything about the things they're complaining about even when they can. There are a lot of people like that in the world, many of them in any given programmers' community. I can't name any names in particular, most of the folks I deal with frequently are actively contributing in some way to solving problems, whether they copmlain about them or not. I guess CFC's could be a good example for myself - I've been fairly vocal about my distaste for the portability problems that come from using CFC's, but I've also developed code aimed at mitigating those problems. (They'll only be _eliminated_ by changes to the server.) But I think that a lot of people (if not the majority) looking at a similar problem are apt to begin with not using it and then maybe move to complaining about it because they'd like to use it but not actually contributing to any kind of solution to make it better. In some cases it's because people are lazy and in others it's because they don't know how to help, or just don't want to know how to help because they're lazy and knowing how involves work. Though the most vocal people tend to be those who actually contribute in my experience.
>> For years, Fusebox has been criticized by those who stand at a
>> distance and
>> throw stones at it while refusing to contribute or become involved in
>> improvements to it.��With Mach-ii, Sean is standing up as an
>> individual and
>> taking a role in it's development, not sitting back and complaining
>> endlessly without contributing anything to it.
>>
>I don't see the point here. Are you saying people can only complain
>about something if they are willing to fix it? When was the last time
>you complained about something in CFML? Did you fix it? I didn't think
>so!
>
>Now it is one thing to complain always and offer no contributions, but
>I don't see that here at all. I have heard before that Dave Watts and I
>are considered by many to be anti-Fusebox. Do we not contribute to the
>CFML community? Certainly I have complained about Fusebox, but have I
>done so without contributing to the CFML community? I think not! And
>for the record, I did submit at least a couple of bugs along with what
>I thought the fixes should be to Sean in regard to MachII.
>
>> It's very apparent to me that Macromedia does not officially support
>> Mach-ii.��There will always be those who can't see that line, but
>> then there
>> are also those who don't understand alot of things.
>>
>And it is for that very reason Macromedia should have known better.
>
>-Matt
>
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