Kwang Suh wrote: >>Kwang Suh wrote: >> >>>Let's say I have a website I want to cluster on 10 servers. With CF, >> >>that's 10 production licenses at whatever cost you can find CF at. >>With .NET, it's zero cost, so there can be some additional cost >>savings. >> >>I'd like to see the total cost break-down for a site that was so large >> >>it required 10 clustered servers. > > > Hmm, Macromedia's for one. Not sure if has ten, but there's a quite a few > there. Anandtech was running quite a few as well. There's William Sonoma. > How about Toys'R'Us before they switched over? Pottery Barn. >
I said I'd like to see the total cost break-down for sites like that, not a list of possible candidates. > >>I doubt the bottom line would move perceptibly if you switched from CF >> >>to a free option. > > > Proof? I don't have any. That's why I prefaced my comment with "I doubt". It's my opinion, nothing more. > > >>>Also, no matter what way you cut it, CF Enterprise is quite >> >>expensive. >> >>If you're a child at school, a new mountain bike costing $200 is >>expensive. If you're a student at college, a new car costing $5000 is >> >>expensive. If you're a medium sized shipping company, a new truck >>costing $100,000 is expensive. If you're a multinational shipping >>company, a new jet costing $10,000,000 is expensive. >> >>The numbers may not be spot on, but you get the general idea. >>Expensive >>is not an absolute term. It depends on the nature of what you're doing. > > > Yes, and for web development, CF Enterprise is expensive. Why do you need CF Enterprise? The price of a Windows 2003 server standard license is the same as a CFMX Pro license. The price of a Windows 2003 Enterprise server license is pretty close to the price of a CFMX Enterprise license and that still limits you to 25 CALs. And apparently every country in the world buys and sells in US$. I'm not sure what you're getting at there. > > >>A multinational shipping company is the only one I'd expect to require >> >>10 clustered CF servers to run their app, and that app would probably >>be >>saving them an amount of money that is enormous when compared to the >>$60,000 one time cost of the CF licenses. > > > "Probably"? Proof please. And, apparently Macromedia is a multinational > shipping company. Well, we could bat this one back and forth over the net all day. I don't have any proof that it is true and you don't appear to have any proof that it isn't. I certainly have enough personal experience of working with ColdFusion to know that 10 clustered servers is an exceptionally large site with a *lot* of traffic. One would hope that any company that has that much traffic has a good reason to be paying the costs associated with running and maintaining a site of that size. The multinational shipping company is the only one from the list I gave that I would expect to require that number of clustered servers. I would be surprised if $60,000 in server licenses would be a blip on the radar for a company Macromedia's size too. > > >>>Also, only development licenses are free. QA, staging, and test >> >>licenses are not with CF, unfortunately. >> >>Again, whether this is actually expensive to your company depends on >>the >>size of your company and what you want to use the app for. > > > Yeah, you're right. I don't need a QA server. Thanks for setting me > straight on that. I didn't say you didn't need a QA server. I said whether it's expensive depends on the size of your company. Is it safe then to assume that you don't use a QA server for .NET development, or are you somehow doing that without paying for a Windows license? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187438 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
