On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:34:02 -0500, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But that's what I think is a mistake. I for one am super-glad that you are > > able to contribute your time to this list, your blog, Mach-II, and all of > > the other things you do for the community. What I am suggesting is that MM > > should make a strategic decision to embrace open source in certain > > categories, like IBM has done by embracing Eclipse, for instance. > > I'm not sure if that's a valid comparison. IBM (and Microsoft and many > others) have vast revenue streams from multiple sources that can support > such initiatives easily, even at a flat loss, for years. (Even then IBM > totally screwed up Eclipse as anybody that's been forced to use WSAD can > attest to.)
I use WSAD at work (sadly), but if I understand how the money part works they bought WebSphere et al, and they got WSAD free. Meaning, they bought the server stuff and got the dev tools to use the servers. That is something MM could totally do, and no "hard core" java developer or enterprise coder is going to be down with writing cf code in dreamweaver. CFMX is a phat tag library and is really cool, way easier and more productive then jsp alone and has better frameworks then Struts IMHO I think selling JRun+CFMX as Enterprise servers + giving the devtools would work, and lend a bit of clout to a unrightly mocked language. BTW - WSAD is Eclipse 2.x based, and 2.x was so so to begin with - but they did kill it with monster plugins. > I don't believe that MM has those kinds of resources (yet). MM's only real > revenue source is from software sales and licensing. Their most popular > product (the Flash Player) is provided free so their other development > efforts already have to carry that (and several other free products). IMO flash is totally different for the reason you just stated - there is nothing but the dev tools to sell. CFMX server on the other hand is not free. > I agree that they could embrace an open-source project as the base for a > commercial project but then many of the open source licenses make that > difficult (for example the GPL has a viral clause that insists any product > based on GPL'd material must itself be GPL'd and thus effectively free). CFEclipse is not under GPL it is under MIT and CPL, and Eclipse it's self its under CPL which means you could include it in a commercial product and not give out any of your source code. > I'm not saying that it can't work (throw me squarely in the group that would > LOVE to see CF open-sourced). What I'm saying is that it's a much harder > (and potentially more dangerous) decision for smaller companies than large > companies with multiple revenue streams. I disagree with open sourcing CFMX (shock! though I do think a free version without the enterprise features *may* be cool). You can do most of the same things with jsp tag libraries that you can do with CF and they are FOSS. Right now WebSphere and BEA and the like are having a hard time selling stuff becuase Tomcat and JBoss are out there - why pay for WebSphere? CFMX has some really cool features that no other language has (like runtime function binding onto cfcs, and a bunch of other non-marketed/used things) > I think that there are definite ways that MM could make it work, but they > won't be able to make it work like IBM has. For example we just had to > upgrade all of work machines to a Gig of RAM to use WSAD. So IBM's > open-source IDE was directly responsible for the sale of several thousand > dollars of IBM hardware. ;^) I have a gig of RAM and it still freezes - I like to blame windows but I can't for sure. If you can steer clear of the XSLT editor like it was the plague, and if you want to BSD your box run ITunes and WSAD at the same time wheeeee -- ~The cfml plug-in for eclipse~ http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~open source xslt IDE~ http://treebeard.sourceforge.net ~open source XML database~ http://ashpool.sourceforge.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189763 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
