i dont see how u can type more code (php) in same amount of time? the thing i find with most php users is that they are really misinformed (or i could be)
for example (this happenes so often that its almost comical) this weeks project im building a fashion site that will be flash w/remoting and too speed it up we decided to maybe hire a graphic desiner to help out. but of course he wants to build it "dynamically" meaning pulling swf's in and so i laugh :) anyways he says, well maybe with php i can do this and u dont need him (me) which wasnt a good move but anyway, so i say well it will be "dynamic" with coldfusion & flash remoting and he comes back with "how can she afford all thats, its so expensive?" umm, thats be lets see a shared host with cfm, remoting $11.13 month, so after explaining it all to him (and since most php dev'rs seem to think they gotta pay for cfm to dev on) and he says well in art school they tell u that coldfusion is really expensive. maybe MM should work on that area:) and just to be clear, i'd say a most� php users arent building enterprise apps and use shared hosting, so its just as feasable to use coldfusion, they just dont know its just as free in that case. and its amazing to see them all trying to hack amfphp and such to work with remoting when they could just use cfm more easily and too be clear, they are using shared hosting, so cost isnt a concern. some of u forget that not everyone is building enterprise apps, personally, i'll take the small ones, in & out in a few days and make more cash without getting burned out ---------------------------------------- From: "Micha Schopman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 2:42 AM To: CF-Talk <[email protected]> Subject: RE: CFMX 7 feature breakdown He made a well argumented comment, don't shoot him immediately for it. Management here said exactly the same as he did :) What he meant is that competition in that part of the market is so high, it is virtually impossible to compete. Besides the .NET shares, the PHP share in the lower end market is really high. PHP started as a simple language, but evolved into a stable and robust language with the same capabilities as it's competitors. And once you have worked with PHP the unique selling point of ColdFusion "development speed" doesn't matter, because you can develop as fast in PHP as in ColdFusion :) What will matter, is the level of functionality you can give developers to compete with. Featuresets of competitors are pretty huge these days, and ColdFusion has some things others don't have, but the same thing counts for those competitors. You might ask yourself the question, what am I going to respond to a customer saying "Why would I pay for ColdFusion if I can get A, B, or C for free?". Only in specific cases you can throw it on ColdFusion specific functionality, but even then boxing up against free publicity marketed languages is very hard for an Account Manager. Just to clear things up :) I know this issue pops up regularly, but it isn't something you have to put away beneath the soil. I think it needs attention, but that attention is expensive, and requires strong product strategy. :) Micha Schopman Software Engineer Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- -----Original Message----- From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 7 februari 2005 18:17 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown Matt Wisdom wrote: > > http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/product_editio ns/ > > It's quite clear from the breakdown of features that MM has written off the > "standard" edition market. I think you should read EVERYTHING on that page, particular the paragraph about Standard before making a ridiculous statement like that: "ColdFusion MX 7 Standard is the solution for delivering a powerful website or application on a single server. 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