Bang on brother. I think it's funny when CF gets bashed as a 'lesser' language too. We're talking about the first web application server. CF gets a bad rap because it's tag based. You have all of these admin types who were already using Perl and Python scripting within their server environments, adapting it's use for web development, because it's what they knew. Remember the days when most of your cgi scripts were written in C or C++? It's what people knew. CF came along, with a structure that was easy for fledgling HTML writers to adapt to, but it wasn't a 'programming language'.
I'm not going to knock Perl or Python or Ruby. They are all great languages in their own right, with huge development communities and hundreds of open source programs for people to use and learn from. But CF has grown into this form just as much, in my opinion. And the cost factor is a moot point. Yes, CF server is expensive, and many hosting solutions are still pricey by comparison. But if you factor in TCO and ROI, I believe that CF development is a better investment. That's my opinion, others may disagree, but I think if people really looked at the numbers it would more than back it up. Thing is, developers are going to use what they are comfortable with, and management isn't always going to base decisions on technical reality but on the technical buzzwords they've read in CIO and InformationWeek. I think Adobe is starting to make great strides in improving the visibility of CF. I think bringing Tim Buntel back in his current capacity is a fantastic move, and the right guy for the job. I also believe that Adobe can do more. One thing I think would be very helpful is if they applied some folks to providing some CF and Flex libraries for the Amazon's, Google's, Yahoo's, etc., who consistently provide 'sample' libraries for interacting with their API's (typically in Perl, Java, and .NET). People will see CF within those lists and start asking themselves "What's ColdFusion?" It could be a highly effective form of passive marketing for Adobe. OK, I've gotten off track on my rant. I love CF, and all of ya'll who've given me help/advice over the years on this list. While I'll dabble with other languages, I'm leaving my flag planted in ColdFusion soil. Cutter ____________ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com Andy Matthews wrote: > It's so irritating when people think that Coldfusion "costs" money. Unless > you're hosting your own server, the only cost is virtual hosting, which > you're going to have to pay no matter what. You also don't need a special > editor to code CF. > > So, having your own server aside, Coldfusion is as free as Ruby, Python or > PHP. I wish that Adobe would start marketing Coldfusion in that matter, > focusing on the "free" aspects of it. > > Anytime I encounter someone who has a skewed perception of the costs of > Coldfusion, I always make a point to break down the costs using the above > scenario. Usually they're taken quite aback because "everyone knows that > Coldfusion costs thousands of dollars to use." > > <!----------------//------ > andy matthews > web developer > certified advanced coldfusion programmer > ICGLink, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 615.370.1530 x737 > --------------//---------> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:256657 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

