Andy and Claude, I strongly urge you both to pursue other careers. More than likely, given your vast understanding of business principles, your are most likely to succeed in life if you move into government, and more specifically, business legislature. After all, in a position like that, you'll be able to write laws that put an end to the absurdities that go on in business (and the various industry communities). And, more importantly, you'll be raping me and your other constituents of our hard-earned tax dollars, because we'll be paying you to grind the enterprise world to a halt.
If you had *any* sense at all, which you obviously do not, you would understand how utterly absurd your "issue" is. It's beyond pathetic. Devalued? WTF? I dare say that the fact that those who "work for free" (to use your words) are *able* to charge far in excess of what would normally be charged. For instance, while I might be hired for $75/hr, I highly doubt that you'll be able to hire a Sean, or a Ray, or a Hal for $75/hr. Hell, after airing your ridiculous belief here, I doubt you could hire *anyone* for less than a couple grand per hour. I damn sure wouldn't lift a finger to help you for less than that... I wouldn't want you to think I was cheap. Matt ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:269367 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

