> After reading about Vista it seems like forever, this seems 
> like when we went from dos to windows. If you put it on an 
> existing machine it will probably crawl I have read.

Actually, most benchmarks have shown it to be about the same as XP.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/

My personal experience has been similar.

> And it looks at first glance they have totally changed the 
> look/feel so a lot of people who aren't techies will be 
> basically starting over, and buying new hardware as well too.

The interface isn't that different, actually. You click on the Start button,
then your program. The shell is a little different, and there are some nice
added features like more descriptive alt-tab displays, etc, but I don't see
much need for retraining there.

Office 2007, on the other hand, is a lot different from previous versions,
and I can see significant retraining needed there. Fortunately for me,
Office 2003 works quite nicely on Vista.

> Then there's our 3d party software we are just realising to 
> our dealers nationwide that gets installed on laptops for in 
> home sales. They just informed me it will not run on Vista 
> yet......That's the reason we were at the dealer convention 
> to launch their new software. They are blaming it on 3d party 
> tools they license to write their .net software package.

The vast majority of business apps will run on Vista. It's just not that
different from XP.

> say what you will but thats the way it is on vista.
> granted, maybe there is a way around that but if I wanted to 
> try and polish a turn, i'd just rub Will's balding head.

Or, you could just type "disable UAC Vista" in Google.

> The funny thing is I seam to recall a lot of windows ppl on 
> here making fun of macs when it was a bit of a pita to 
> install cfm on the new intels, i must admit this is now 
> rather amusing watching the black kettle.

CF7 installed fine for me on Vista. I just used the silent install option,
which is quite easy.

> I did put the business version on my mac, and all I gotta say 
> is "what a gigantic piece of crap vista is", honestly, I was 
> hoping there was something on there that made me go "wow" but 
> there isnt, too little too late......

It's an operating system. It lets you run applications. What did you expect
to see? It's a little glitzier than XP, and significantly safer for
untrained end-users.

> I had installed it for about 5 minutes before i started 
> screaming "YES I WANNA F*CKIN USE THAT F*CKIN PROGRAM WITHOUT 
> U F*CKIN ASKIN ME ME EVERY F*CKIN TIME I WANNA USE THE F*CKIN 
> THING OR I WOULDNT HAVE F*CKIN CLICKED ON IT TO USE 
> IT!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You're the same person who complains about spyware and viruses on XP, right?
And you're logged in as an Administrator, right?

Well-written user applications typically don't require administrative
rights. End users in a corporate environment typically don't have
administrator rights. For obvious security reasons, you shouldn't run
programs unnecessarily with administrator rights. Vista simply makes this
process easier, even if you're logged in as an administrator.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/

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