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I work for a large cf consulting shop. I have seen and worked with quite a
few cf apps.
The shops that use fusebox are a better environment.
The developers are happy, have smiles on their faces and enjoy their jobs.
In the other shops, the developers are frustrated, have bloodshot eyes and
lash out at the slightest things.
Im sure that is probably just because the fusebox shops are full of
beginners though. They dont have the knowledge to even know that:
"It slightly increases development time, obfuscates CF debugging, and
necessitates superfluous code and processing time by routing every page call
through an index.cfm."
Yeah right...Fusebox is a proven methodology that works well. If it makes
things more difficult, your not using it right.
John
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From: William J Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 8:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: fusebox
Wow what system are you using? Our Sites have over 1000 CFM files that do
the balance of the application. Thats just one of our services, the others
are getting there too. And i can tell you that we have a *unnoticeable*
increase in load on the box or even lag on member boxes with people who
still have 28.8K connections. And as for calling Fusebox a fad i think you
are just being silly, i mean whats a fad..a fad was people who used to walk
around with bright PINK fanny packs, now thats a fad, why is FUSEBOX not a
fad?
Well i'm glad you asked, Fusebox is not a fad because what it is, is a
Development Methodology that was developed to help RAD (Rapid Application
Development) which it does by making everything uniform to where you will
always know where to look for things, and it even helps when you still use
uniform naming conventions.
> > We now only use it when clients insist that
> > they want their applications built around it (usually they've heard a
> > little about Fusebox and think it's cutting-edge so they want it without
> > really understanding it).
I think that client want that because they are smart and forward thinking
because they want there application to be able to be maintained by another
developer much more easily then with other styles of coding.
However, a poorly-designed or
> poorly-written application may benefit from Fusebox because then it will
> be somewhat easier for later programmers to come in and fix it. I would
> only recommend that a new application be written Fusebox-style if it is
> going to be very large and complex, there will be a lot of developers
> working on the application, and if many of those developers are
> ColdFusion beginners (and then only if you ignore the terrible
> filenaming conventions).
And again i have seen many companies who use FUSEBOX and are large, as well
as our own which is large and we use standard naming conventions and we
still find it a good idea to use the methology. But its nice to see you
saying that people who use Fusebox will be writting poor code and
applications in essence.
>That's because Fusebox does have some value in
> making the page-flow logic easier to follow for people who are not
> familiar with all of the application, or who are CF beginners. That's
> its only significant advantage.
I would highly disagree with the fact you say Fusebox is only for CF
Beginners, if you want i can give you the url fusebox.org and you can go
read through its pros and cons and then come back and we'll compare with
your list here =). You'll find alot more Pros then cons.
Next time sit and think before you start talking about things that you are
apparently not
very well versed in
Bill Wheatley
Director of Development
Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer
AEPS INC
Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner
www.aeps.com
www.aeps2000.com
954-472-6684 X303
ICQ: 417645
> > Original message:
> > ===========Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:35:26 -0600
> > From: "Craig Bowes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: fusebox
> > Message-ID: <005801c045ee$becf3f00$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Yes! Fusebox rocks. It has made my code smaller, more manageable, more
> >
> > reuseable and easier to understand while being loose enough to let me do
> >
> > whatever I need to get the job done. I HIGHLY recommend fusebox to any
> > CFDeveloper. It is based on Object Oriented Concepts that standard
> > desktop
> > programming environments have had for years but which web development
> > hasn't
> > been really able to take advantage of.
> >
> > The new job I am at has adopted it as company policy because of me and
> > so
> > did my last job. Also, fUseML is pretty useful although I am still
> > learning
> > it. They have a book published on Fusebox and fuseml that looks pretty
> > good. The print version hasn't been shipped yet but if you buy it you
> > get
> > the .PDF version pretty quick and then the print later.
> >
> > go to http://www.fusebox.org
> >
> > -Craig Bowes
> > Coldfusion Programmer
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 972.243.1171
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 2:53 PM
> > Subject: fusebox
> >
> >
> > > Is anyone out there using the fusebox methodology?
> > >
> > > I have recently started this position here and I am the Cold Fusion
> > lead
> > and
> > > I was toying with the idea of recommending that we use the Fusebox
> > method
> > > for the complete REdeployment of our corporate Intranet.
> > >
> > >
> > > any feedback is well appreciated.
> > >
> > > chris.alvarado
> > > cold.fusion - developer
> > > [phone] 512.794.6563
> > > [email] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [web] http://www.tmanage.com
> > >
> >
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I work for a large cf consulting shop. I have =
seen and worked with quite a few cf apps.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>The shops that use fusebox are a better environment. =
</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The developers are happy, have smiles on their faces =
and enjoy their jobs. </FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>In the other shops, the developers are frustrated, =
have bloodshot eyes and lash out at the slightest things.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Im sure that is probably just because the fusebox =
shops are full of beginners though. They dont have the knowledge =
to even know that:</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>"It slightly increases development time, =
obfuscates CF debugging, and necessitates superfluous code and =
processing time by routing every page call through an =
index.cfm."</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Yeah right...Fusebox is a proven methodology that =
works well. If it makes things more difficult, your not using it =
right.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>John</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: William J Wheatley [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 8:50 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: CF-Talk</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: fusebox</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Wow what system are you using? Our Sites have over =
1000 CFM files that do</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the balance of the application. Thats just one of =
our services, the others</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>are getting there too. And i can tell you that we =
have a *unnoticeable*</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>increase in load on the box or even lag on member =
boxes with people who</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>still have 28.8K connections. And as for calling =
Fusebox a fad i think you</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>are just being silly, i mean whats a fad..a fad was =
people who used to walk</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>around with bright PINK fanny packs, now thats a =
fad, why is FUSEBOX not a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>fad?</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Well i'm glad you asked, Fusebox is not a fad because =
what it is, is a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Development Methodology that was developed to help =
RAD (Rapid Application</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Development) which it does by making everything =
uniform to where you will</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>always know where to look for things, and it even =
helps when you still use</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>uniform naming conventions.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > We now only use it when clients insist =
that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > they want their applications built around =
it (usually they've heard a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > little about Fusebox and think it's =
cutting-edge so they want it without</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > really understanding it).</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I think that client want that because they are smart =
and forward thinking</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>because they want there application to be able to be =
maintained by another</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>developer much more easily then with other styles of =
coding.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>However, a poorly-designed or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> poorly-written application may benefit from =
Fusebox because then it will</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> be somewhat easier for later programmers to =
come in and fix it. I would</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> only recommend that a new application be =
written Fusebox-style if it is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> going to be very large and complex, there will =
be a lot of developers</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> working on the application, and if many of =
those developers are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ColdFusion beginners (and then only if you =
ignore the terrible</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> filenaming conventions).</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>And again i have seen many companies who use FUSEBOX =
and are large, as well</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>as our own which is large and we use standard naming =
conventions and we</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>still find it a good idea to use the methology. But =
its nice to see you</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>saying that people who use Fusebox will be writting =
poor code and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>applications in essence.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>That's because Fusebox does have some value =
in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> making the page-flow logic easier to follow for =
people who are not</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> familiar with all of the application, or who =
are CF beginners. That's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> its only significant advantage.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I would highly disagree with the fact you say Fusebox =
is only for CF</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Beginners, if you want i can give you the url =
fusebox.org and you can go</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>read through its pros and cons and then come back =
and we'll compare with</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>your list here =3D). You'll find alot more Pros then =
cons.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Next time sit and think before you start talking =
about things that you are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>apparently not</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>very well versed in</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bill Wheatley</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Director of Development</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>AEPS INC</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>www.aeps.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>www.aeps2000.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>954-472-6684 X303</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ICQ: 417645</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Original message:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DDate: =
Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:35:26 -0600</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > From: "Craig Bowes" =
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > To: =
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Cc: =
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Subject: Re: fusebox</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Message-ID: =
<005801c045ee$becf3f00$[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Yes! Fusebox rocks. It has =
made my code smaller, more manageable, more</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > reuseable and easier to understand while =
being loose enough to let me do</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > whatever I need to get the job done. =
I HIGHLY recommend fusebox to any</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > CFDeveloper. It is based on Object =
Oriented Concepts that standard</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > desktop</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > programming environments have had for =
years but which web development</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > hasn't</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > been really able to take advantage =
of.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > The new job I am at has =
adopted it as company policy because of me and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > so</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > did my last job. Also, fUseML is =
pretty useful although I am still</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > learning</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > it. They have a book published on =
Fusebox and fuseml that looks pretty</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > good. The print version hasn't been =
shipped yet but if you buy it you</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > get</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > the .PDF version pretty quick and then the =
print later.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > go to <A HREF=3D"http://www.fusebox.org" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.fusebox.org</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > -Craig Bowes</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Coldfusion Programmer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > 972.243.1171</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ----- Original Message -----From: =
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > To: "CF-Talk" =
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 2:53 =
PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Subject: fusebox</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > Is anyone out there using the fusebox =
methodology?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > I have recently started this position =
here and I am the Cold Fusion</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > lead</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > I was toying with the idea of =
recommending that we use the Fusebox</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > method</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > for the complete REdeployment of our =
corporate Intranet.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > any feedback is well =
appreciated.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > chris.alvarado</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > cold.fusion - developer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > [phone] 512.794.6563</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > [email] =
[EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > [web] <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.tmanage.com" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.tmanage.com</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
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