Ben, Thanks for your response. I understand that it's not your decision and that there are factors that impact pricing. I also understand that not everyone who might have fought for a lower price can always win, it's good that you had an opportunity to voice your opinion.
As I said in the original post CF8 is a great product and I have purchased it already. I purchased Standard however when I had budget for Enterprise, the 25% increase done at launch gave me no opportunity to budget or plan for this expenditure. I mainly get upset due to the fact that CF is always being compared to free products, PHP, .NET & Java and I constantly have to justify the price, to me and a lot of others this price increase was just unexpected. I really wonder how many people who were going to purchase Enterprise purchased Standard instead, either due to the price or the fact that standard has more features. Sean, I can't imagine they will sell more Enterprise because if it's more expensive people will think it's a real Enterprise product. You say I don't understand the enterprise market, well you are wrong, I am one of these customers. If you understood enterprise's you would surely know that budgets and plans for expenditure need to be submitted at the start of the financial year. I am now one less enterprise customer, but I guess they can afford to lose 25% of the enterprise customers and still break even. Time will tell if this was a good or bad decision or now, we will never know I guess until version 9 is released and see if anything changes. PS: Everyone will be very interested now in where they can find clear info on how the standard features are throttled, I for one don't want to start debugging code when things go slow to find that the server is doing this. I want to know in advance of what every limit is. Does such a document exist? Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 3:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin And I've not weighed in because frankly, there is little for me to add. Like all of you, I have opinions about pricing, but I am not the final decision maker - I do voice my opinions, and sometimes they align with those of the wider CF team and sometimes not, but once a decision is made I have to live with it. If you are expecting me to denounce a product decision in public (and no, I am not saying that I would denounce this one) then think again, that would be more than inappropriate. And to be very fair, I was asked many times about possible pricing increases over the past 1/2 year, including at many of the usergroups we visited. And my answer every time was that A) we've not raised the price in a while, there has been pressure to do so, and so it was a possibility, B) *if* there would be price increases we would try to limit the users impacted by it, C) if there would be a price increase then it would be an incremental one, and the price would not increase by several times, D) buy subscriptions now and you'll not have to deal with this if the price does in fact increase. And I think that my responses were indeed correct. And finally, we've been debating price increases for several versions already. And with each edition we debated the issue for a long time and decided to postpone any increase. Now, after 5 years or so, we have indeed increased the price of Enterprise only, while simultaneously making Standard a more compelling option for even more users. But, others have explained this already. Beyond this I have nothing else to say on the topic, at this point I am too busy with features and customers. --- Ben -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin Let me be absolutely clear on something Dale. 1) I have nothing to do with the prices Adobe charge. Last time I checked, I don't work for Adobe. If Adobe wants to hire me, they can give me a call, but until then, I don't see how you can put this on me. What the hell did I do? 2) I've been spending my time blogging about features. I figure my readers care more about that. I haven't been avoiding pricing. I've just been focused on what interests ME and what I assume interests my readers. If you want to know what I think about the prices, then ask. But to act like I'm some kind of conspiracy with Adobe to make people not notice the prices is flat out wrong. 3) I have NEVER refrained from speaking my mind about CF. Now I'll be honest and say I've rarely complained. That isn't to say I haven't. Shoot, I bad mouth CFLOGON all the time, and I freely share WHY it bugs me. I hope folks forgive me for my language above but I'm a bit pissed as to how I'm being dragged into this. On 7/31/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's the deal with people who think that you should be happy to pay more > because there are new features. > > That makes no sense what so ever. If there were no new features, then you > wouldn't need a new version. It's the quantity and quality of new features > that makes people decide if they are even going to upgrade. The fact that > it's an upgrade means they get your money again, so there is no need to get > your money again + a premium for new features. > > If all the ColdFusion die hard's who go hide in a hole and don't speak up > when something like this stupid pricing happens then these problems are > never going to get addressed. People are too scared to say what they think > and risk tainting their perfect CF image. > > I note that Ben & Ray have had nothing to say about the increased pricing, > in fact they just kinda did a soft release and hope that it would sweep > under the carpet, and no one would notice. Very Poor! > > Regards > Dale Fraser > > http://dalefraser.blogspot.com > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72&catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:284985 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
