I also have to say that Groovy and Grails are awesome as well... We use both here, and I am impressed.
On 8/2/07, Dinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 7/31/07, Sean Corfield wrote: > .... > > Change the comparison. It should not be about technologies, it should > > be about solutions. > > This, actually, is one of my points- It seems like it's all about the > tech, > vs. the solutions. > > Solutions-wize, is actually where PHP and the other Open Languages > are challenging CF. Because of Open Source, if you ask me, but hey, > the fact remains, that PHP, etc. "solutions" are getting pretty freaking > slick. Easy, good UI design, etc.. Talk about Rapid! Sheesh! > > Just playing with the (free) PHP plug-ins my host offers blew me away. > > You could be half-brain dead and whip out a pretty nifty "solution". > -This is not how it used to be.- > > Not to mention, they're not "server/CPU centric" like ColdFusion. > (Re: the google method, or whatever- farms or flocks, as the case > may be) > > And CF is more a means, vs. a "solution", I reckon. Depending. > Since it's all solutions enveloped with/in solutions, or whatever. > > ** > I just can't stand this talk of "it's a hard sell to the enterprise cuz > it's so inexpensive (not cheap, tho ;)" being justification for a price > hike. The hard work put in, sure- but the "appearance" argument > pisses me of a bit. > > The idea that money doesn't matter to enterprises, is ludicrous. > Seems like people think enterprise means unlimited $$? Or > that value is assessed using a single vector? The "Price" of X?!?! > > By this argument, no "enterprises" use Linux, Apache, etc.- or some > strange logic like that. Does that sound correct? ROI is easy, right, > since everyone and their grandma is a millionaire? Oh, what, you > mean it's as complicated a topic as you'd like it to be? *sigh* I see. > ** > Depends on your time frame, I guess. > > So... calculating value is really that easy for folks, huh? Man, I'm a > freaking mess, I reckon. I find it sorta hard. Intangible, even. > ** > I've never been much of one for licensing, tho. Support, sure- work, > fine- but money for having an idea? Seems like cheating. > > I wonder what the world would be like if everything went public domain > after 7 years or whatever. ** Ok, enough crazyness. > > Peace! > __ > Sell people (the good way;) (or hardware). > > PS says the dude making <$25 an hour > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:285110 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
