>>> I don't know why I bother responding to these threads, though.
I don't know either. Perhaps because you have invested heavily in CF like many of us here? >> People have been griping about CF pricing/marketing/evangelism since it was an Allaire product. True. However, ColdFusion taught me the *experiential meaning* of FUD. Which is why this thread has gone on so long and also why I am learning Java and ..NET. The point is: People are jumping ship or at least getting prepared to. FUD is in the air and is *palpable*. I was briefly placated by Adobe's hiring a new Evangelist until I read the by line on his blog. Personally I do not want an "Evangelist" for my stack of choice who uses terms like "PHP and open sores fanboys" in the about section of his blog. Nothing personal, and I am all for free expression, and I am sure he is very good at what he does etc., but I don't want a person with that sort of sophomoric mentality being a spokesperson for a technology I have spent years mastering. Especially in the Enterprise. It doesn't give me warm fuzzies. On Feb 7, 2008 5:18 PM, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You keep saying that Adobe is targeting the enterprise. Most > > enterprises I know are not using ColdFusion, and are using > > .NET because .Net is more "enterprisey". If they have money > > and want to invest in the JAVA technology, they will go for > > something like Websphere. > > I didn't say they were successfully targeting the enterprise - although I > think they are, based on the sales I've seen - or that most enterprises > are > using CF - I don't ever expect to see CF be the dominant web application > server. I said they're targeting the enterprise. I think that's fairly > self-evident, based on their pricing model. Again, though, it doesn't > really > matter whether it's the dominant technology, to Adobe - the only thing > that > matters to Adobe is whether they're maximizing their profit. > > And, for what it's worth, I've seen several environments with CF on > WebSphere. > > > ColdFusion is just not an enterprise ready technology, and it > > won't be until they at least support x64. > > Very few enterprises are using x64 for production application servers, as > far as I can tell. Most enterprises, again as far as I can tell, are not > early adopters. The enterprises I'm working with, that are using CF, would > disagree with your characterization of CF as not "enterprise-ready". Your > observations may be different from mine, of course. > > > ColdFusion is best aimed at SMBs IMHO. They are the ones > > that can make the most use of it, and they are the ones that > > I feel make up the bulk of Adobe's revenues for Cf. > > Again, this is a matter of your opinion. Your opinion (and mine, for that > matter) are irrelevant, since neither of us are responsible for CF pricing > and licensing at Adobe. > > I don't know why I bother responding to these threads, though. People have > been griping about CF pricing/marketing/evangelism since it was an Allaire > product. CF continues to be a relatively successful niche product, despite > everyone's prediction of imminent doom for over ten years. I wonder how > many > people'll be using RoR in ten years. I wonder what Microsoft will have > replaced ASP.NET with in ten years. Whatever happened to poor old > "classic" > ASP, anyway? > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners > http://training.figleaf.com/ > > WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! > http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298509 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
