sure you can get a cheap server there and get 0 support. And when you do need 
support (talking about crystal tech) they will ream the crap out of you in 
charges. 

The bottom line is that if you want or are gunna be cheap then you will not be 
getting the "holy grail", you will simply be getting "cheap hosting".

HMS techs are good but some are also new and of course they won't know 
everything yet and well that's part of your cheap hosting. CT techs are 
complete morons, havent talked to one yet who knew anything about anything. 

Now if you start paying for better hosting everything gets better, for example 
on my dedicated box at HMS I have a direct line # to the dedicated team and if 
none are there it gets picked up by the highest level tech there and it gets 
taken care of on the spot.

Of course I pay for this but to me it's worth it. For ex: if one of my 
customers needs help they can call anytime and get helped by HMS, Now say one 
of jims clients has problems and cant contact jim and hes on a $90 ded box at 
CT then that client is Sh*T Outta Luck! If thats not a concern for you then 
don't pay for the support. But myself when I got 60 something clients on a box 
and 20+ more on the way, I want to know that they will be taken care of, I 
don't care what the cost is.


The other option is to buy a server and send it in for co-lo. I just sent in an 
apple xserve to HMS and it will cost me less that $150 a month to be managed 
and for support. And im sure you could get a server fairly cheap.

Personally, I wouldn't go anywhere but HMS, they are far and away the best host 
I have ever dealt with.

Jim brings up a very good point and that is that cfm wasn't made for shared 
hosting and that really is IMO its only real drawback. If you got any of Wills 
sites on your server then it's gunna be crashing like crazy!! haha jk 


>> Unfortunately Will, the $130+/month for VPS is not covered by my
>> criteria of
>
>Speaking of CrystalTech - you can get an actual dedicated server (not a VPS)
>for $90 a month (even cheaper for Linux).
>
>I've had one for years: I host something like 20 sites and have complete
>control.
>
>I've actually never had a serious problem with CT and CF, but clearly others
>have.  In my experience CF really isn't a good choice for shared hosting.
>It's technically possible but there's a lot of technical limitations that
>cause problems.
>
>If you can afford it, dedicated is the way to go.
>
>Jim Davis 

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