> "No Mike, you're wrong the server customer base has increased over the > last year by xx%"
The last time I looked at Adobe's overall sales figures, CF sales were up. Their overall sales figures are available in their public statements. > "No Mike, we presented at a .Net conference in Sydney last July, and > at a .php conference in Melbourne in August ... etc " How many .NET conferences are there? If they're fully run by MS, what makes you think they'd be let in the door? Just for kicks, I searched for PHP conferences in Sydney and Melbourne, and found none. I did find an open-source conference in Melbourne which had PHP topics, but I don't think CF would be an appropriate topic at an open-source conference, since, you know, it's closed-source. > Nothing from Adobe. I might be wrong - I hope I am, but Adobe didnt > know much about what to do with a server product when they bought > Macromedia, That's funny, because the last time I remember seeing a sentence very similar, except it had "Macromedia" where you have "Adobe", and "Allaire" where you have "Macromedia". > I got the feeling that Adobe people think it's something they got > stuck with when they bought Macromedia for what they REALLY wanted - > Flash and Dreamweaver. Again, "Adobe people" != "Adobe". > Certainly in Australia i have yet to hear of anyone at Adobe who is > annoyed because I am painting them in a bad light that's undeserved. I for one am grateful that Adobe people don't spend all day responding to this sort of thing. > Either prove me wrong someone, or stop bashing me for being critical > and for gods sake lets poke someone in the ribs who's in a position to > DO SOMETHING about it! You know who's in a position to DO SOMETHING? It's you, not Adobe. You're not satisfied with how Adobe markets their product? Market your services with that product! You're not satisfied with their presence in user groups and conferences? Get in those user groups and conferences yourself! It's developers, not salesmen, who are ultimately responsible for the success or failure of a programming product. Nobody had heard of CF when Steve Drucker and I started the very first CF user group, in Washington DC, in 1993 if I recall correctly. We ran monthly meetings, demoed neat applications, and our attendance started with a handful of people, and grew to hundreds. Now, CF is a very strong presence within the DC metro market, and probably the best place in the world for CF jobs. We did our best to popularize the product. Allaire, Macromedia, Adobe - whoever owns the product - can't do that sort of thing. It takes developers. Or, as Steve Ballmer once put it, "Developers, developers, DEVELOPERS!" Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or o ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329934 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
