On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Dave Watts <[email protected]> wrote: > >> "No Mike, you're wrong the server customer base has increased over the >> last year by xx%" > > The last time I looked at Adobe's overall sales figures, CF sales were > up. Their overall sales figures are available in their public > statements.
In Australia? Are they? Does anyone outside Adobe know? >> "No Mike, we presented at a .Net conference in Sydney last July, and >> at a .php conference in Melbourne in August ... etc " > > How many .NET conferences are there? If they're fully run by MS, what > makes you think they'd be let in the door? > I dont know. MS were at WebDU. I went to a presentation of theirs. Got a complete copy of SQLServer2005 from there. Why wouldn't CF try to sell to people who havent already bought the product? THATS WHAT SALES PEOPLE DO! > >> I got the feeling that Adobe people think it's something they got >> stuck with when they bought Macromedia for what they REALLY wanted - >> Flash and Dreamweaver. > > Again, "Adobe people" != "Adobe". > Actually Dave, "Adobe people" = = "Adobe". You are 100% wrong in that statement. >> Certainly in Australia i have yet to hear of anyone at Adobe who is >> annoyed because I am painting them in a bad light that's undeserved. > > I for one am grateful that Adobe people don't spend all day responding > to this sort of thing. I'd just like to know we aren't building our businesses here in Sydney in an Adobe wilderness. > >> Either prove me wrong someone, or stop bashing me for being critical >> and for gods sake lets poke someone in the ribs who's in a position to >> DO SOMETHING about it! > > You know who's in a position to DO SOMETHING? It's you, not Adobe. > You're not satisfied with how Adobe markets their product? Market your > services with that product! You're not satisfied with their presence > in user groups and conferences? Get in those user groups and > conferences yourself! It's developers, not salesmen, who are > ultimately responsible for the success or failure of a programming > product. > > Nobody had heard of CF when Steve Drucker and I started the very first > CF user group, in Washington DC, in 1993 if I recall correctly. We ran > monthly meetings, demoed neat applications, and our attendance started > with a handful of people, and grew to hundreds. Now, CF is a very > strong presence within the DC metro market, and probably the best > place in the world for CF jobs. We did our best to popularize the > product. Allaire, Macromedia, Adobe - whoever owns the product - can't > do that sort of thing. It takes developers. Or, as Steve Ballmer once > put it, "Developers, developers, DEVELOPERS!" > Steve Ballmer. Oh yea. Actually Steve Ballmer doesnt put DEVELOPERS in front line sales positions. Those guys are called SALES people. I knew it wouldnt be long before someone told me this was all my fault. I run a tiny development business. I havent sat idly by and waited for the world to push dollars into my hand. As I said in the outset, if I hadnt gone out and hustled my own opportunities I'd have starved. I just wish I wasnt doing it all alone. If you're a Toyota dealer you dont do it alone. You get backup support from the manufacturer. If you're a Dulux Paint dealer you dont do it alone. You get backup support from the manufacturer. If you're a Microsoft reseller you dont do it alone. You get FLOODED with support from the manufacturer. If you're a McDonalds franchisee you dont do it alone. You get backup support from the manufacturer. If you're an Adobe dealer/reseller/developer in Australia you get nothing, not even brochures. You dont get any support advertising appearing in trade mags. You dont get any help developing sales strategy unless you are prepared to tell a competitor about it all, because the only thing they'll do to help is refer you to a competitor. If you want to sell LiveCycle you get told to piss off. If you need help to sell server products you get told to stop being such a crybaby and get off your ass. All of those things have happened to me personally while trying to make business for Adobe. -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/m ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329967 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
