I just wanted to point out that technically Aptana is free. They do have a a Pro version, Aptana Studio, but you can use Aptana for free straight off their site.
andy -----Original Message----- From: Wil Genovese [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 5:01 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released! @Rick Actually, I do not see much CFEclipse functionality in CFBuilder with one exception and that is for Snippets. Everyone requested Adobe keep Snippets compatible with CFEclipse so we could easily share them. I kinda wish Adobe could have included CFEclipse as the base of ColdFusion Builder. I think there would have been a shorter development time and far more bugs would be resolved and ColdFusion Builder would have more features not less. The other included work is that of Aptana and I suspect there is a licensing deal between Adobe and Aptana. Aptana is a paid product so no one is getting a free ride with that deal. In addition Eclipse itself is based on a product that was built by IBM. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/library/nov05/cernosek/index.html There are many commercial products built on the Eclipse platform. I see nothing wrong with that. Wil On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Rick Faircloth <[email protected]>wrote: > > This is more of a moral argument than a financial one. > > No, I haven't been privy to the development of CFB, but it just > appears that they have piggy-backed on the work of a lot of others > who work for no cost (at least on the product)...CFEclipse and Eclipse, > and are charging a lot for work they didn't have to do. > > Now, sure, they can charge whatever they want, just as I can. But if I > quote a large amount to a regular client that they feel is unjustified for > my effort and their benefit, you can bet there would be some howls of > indignation. > > They can charge what they want, but that doesn't mean they are > right to charge any amount when a lot of the work in developing > the IDE (interface, plug-in style, etc., Eclipse and CFEclipse) was done by > others. > > Dreamweaver: Original product built from the ground up...charging > $300...justified > > CFBuilder: Non-original, tack-on plug-in, whose user interface isn't > even original (purposefully created this way, I'm sure, so > so that Eclipse and CFEclipse users would make an easy > transition to its use...again a benefit to Adobe by from the > work of others)...charging $300...not justified > > And, yes, I could make back the money soon if it cost $1000...that's not > the > point. > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:16 PM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released! > > > > The issue is that it is a plugin, not a full IDE...Eclipse already > provides > > the IDE and that is free. If this was a package that they developed on > > there own like DW...then that would be different. > > Why would this be any different? > > Your problem here, in my opinion, is that you're looking at the > complexity of what you're buying, and the perceived value of the > amount of work done to build it. That really is completely irrelevant. > There's only one thing that's relevant: would buying this make you a > more productive developer and quickly cover the cost of the product? > If the answer is yes, you should buy it, even if it was easy for Adobe > to develop compared to other products. If the answer is no, you should > not buy it. > > > Even so, they should be encouraging developers, since we are the ones > doing > > their marketing work for them so that we will encourage our employers and > > clients to use CF. > > Clearly, this argument is not compelling enough to Adobe, who > apparently feel entitled to make a profit on their work, just like you > and me. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > http://training.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on > GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:332087 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
