> Do you discount your rate to contribute to the success of your clients?
Of course I do, don't you? My goal is to profit financially, but my larger "working goal" is to help my clients succeed...and sometimes that means giving things away for free, when my clients need it. I work with mostly small businesses, and especially in this economy, I choose to do things for them that I know they need, but sometimes can't afford. In the end, I prosper from the good will, too. But even if I don't prosper financially, I still benefit from being generous. > it's not as lovingly hand-crafted as Dreamweaver Not my comment and not what I meant...there's a difference between original software (as original as things can get these days) and a copy. Hold it...I'm not saying Adobe copied Eclipse or CFEclipse. I'm just saying that it has benefited from the work done for Eclipse and CFEclipse, unlike Dreamweaver which was "more" of an original work. I would expect that something more original to cost more than something that is less original. Adobe didn't have to even come up with the original idea for the interface, which is a big part of development, it just created a derivative of the original and is selling it as the same price as a truly original work. And I wouldn't expect you to care, Dave, about whether or not I buy the software...why should you? > I can't very well use them to justify an argument, either Sure you could, if learned to react to things other than from a rational stance...everything can't be decided by reason alone. But, whatever...we've whipped this horse enough and he can't go any faster. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 6:16 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released! > Have you ever felt indignant, Dave? This discussion is not *just* about > being rational. It has to do with personal, subjective perspective. > Opinions... > You can't put values on feelings of indignation in order to quantify them. No, and I can't very well use them to justify an argument, either. You're free to feel as indignant as you like, just as I'm free to tell you your feelings are misguided. > You better believe it's less costly! If I had to develop a language > and a server to process it, I would charge a lot more. Wouldn't you? I think you missed my point. Over your life as a CF developer, have you charged more for your work than the cost of CF itself? Because, clearly, the sum total of your work is worth less than the sum total you've paid for CF, according to your logic. So, let's say you've spent $20k on CF over the years - I know you went a long time without upgrading. You haven't charged more than $20k over that for your own work, then, right? My point, in case it's still not clear, is that the value of software has little or no relation to the amount of work needed to create it. The custom software you and I build in CF provides a specific value to our clients, because it meets a need that is otherwise unmet. Likewise, the software that you and I buy to build that software provides a specific value to us. > And, again, Adobe is free to charge whatever they like, but it would be > nice to feel like Adobe wanted to help it's community thrive by contributing > to its success without always charging so much to enable that success. Adobe is a for-profit company. They build software for sale, just like you do. Do you discount your rate to contribute to the success of your clients? If not, why do you expect others to? Buy the software, don't buy it, I don't care. But don't make your decision based on poor reasoning, because that's not in your best interest. There are smart reasons why you might not buy CF Builder, but "it's not as lovingly hand-crafted as Dreamweaver" isn't one of them. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:332074 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
