On 1/31/2011 3:05 PM, denstar wrote: > Yeah, but I worded it more to sound statistical-ish. Either way...
you worded it to make it sound better and that actually doesn't make it any more factual. > My overall point was that surely there's *some* non-zero number of > people trying/using coldfusion that wouldn't before, if not just > because of the fact that it was a closed architecture. you have no proof of that. by your logic i can equally say that having "open" architecture drove away as many as it attracted. a "way of thinking" is not facts, that's another form of woo. > Why not? Surely money is a factor most places? If you gotta choose > between paying a coder, and paying a license... well I guess that if a cf license is going to force a company NOT to pay salaries then that company is in deep deep shit, even in the "3rd world". > I'd rather have the coder. Even if CFML gives one coder the strength > of ten. =) yeah i guess if you can grab a decent coder for the price of a cf license. but that's not even remotely true. > Having open source engine alternatives is more ammo for folks fighting > for CFML use, hands down. "ammo" doesn't mean squat if it's not used to hit what you're supposed to be aiming at. > How someone could see this as bad for the language, or us, as coders > in said language, is beyond me. it's been explained to you over & over. you even acknowledged it & said you didn't care (on twitter). > muckity-mucks gainfully employed. It's almost like a club or separate > ecosystem. those other parts are but a cf developer there is just as important to the cf community as a cf developer in a small shop. btw i don't see *you* declaring some vow of poverty, so might as well stop with these kinds of comparisons until you do. > where the Real Money is made anyways. In The Enterprise. why do you think "enterprise" is some kind of swear word? we built "enterprise" level systems for municipalities here that helped increase their tax rolls (by helping make everybody who was supposed to pay taxes, actually pay them) & silly little things like track school kid vaccinations. the tax justice we helped with allowed those cities to buy more "toys" like fire trucks & have more money to "waste" on things like parks & youth programs. > And to be clear, I'm not knocking Adobe. I'm not saying that they some of your previous remarks kind of sound like that. > Well, really, it's that, when I'm like, "why the hell is this doing > that?", I don't have to get crazy with a decompiler (not that I'd ever or you could just ask the cf team. > if you don't take advantage of it, is a wicked-cool thing to have. sure but 99.99% of developers aren't going to go that deep or need to. and from what i've seen w/other OS projects some of the stuff produced from that 0.01% shouldn't be touched w/a 10 foot pole. > Would you put money on that? obviously since i'm a cf developer, i have. > Or would you just live with the bugs in the version that came out in > 1999, as it were? 10 years later, saying "it's not dead, the last > version was just perfect"? what high impact bugs are in cf since 1999? > So they both closed up shop, eh? I hadn't heard, but I'm not privy to > insider information. they failed as businesses selling s/w. > Why the venom? Even if that was the case, I'd still cheer my heart out. statements of facts are not in & of themselves venomous. why fall back to that as an argument? > Do you have so little faith in the language? more nonsense from you. try again. > I don't. I know you say it's not true, but I haven't seen the > evidence. Can you clue me in to anything solid? you acknowledged this on twitter & said you didn't care. remember? > Maybe it also depends on the number of servers you're running? > Not-free is not-free, and at some point, enough not-free adds up to, > well, a number more than zero. i have no idea of your business but developing cf has never been very costly, geez we do it here it the "3rd world" just fine. hosting/deploying has some cost but so does railo/BD. servers cost money. bandwidth cost money. backups cost money. no such thing as "free". > Whatever you want to believe, I think it's a happier world with open > source CFML engines. i would agree if they were bringing in new developers instead of munching on the cf community's liver. > Have you even looked at the open source engines? They're pretty swell. yes i have indeed. so what? > having money, or caring but getting bought out. as i said you already know the reasons for me having issues w/the way railo is doing things. who's going to take over if adobe buys out railo? what happens to railo's customers in practice? they just might be the ones getting stuck w/stagnant s/w. > If you want to see it that way, you can. I don't, but who am I to say? a "fanboy" ;-) what's good for the goose is good for the gander. > l think it will all work out for the best in the end (and I have proof!). no you don't. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341762 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
