Michael, I think the thing is the attitude the company takes, it has been my experience that large corporations with System Administrators and a department that looks after the systems for users, usually exempt the Software Developers from there normal stringent rules.
Now on that same token it also boils down to how your team is managed as well, with that I mean people usually hire junior staff because they have enough senior developers to train and look after the rest of the team. Now this is where I will disagree with Ray and the others, only because I wouldn't expect the Junior staff to know everything, but basic setup and installation should be on their resumes. If not then they should be hired in the knowledge that they can be trained. One thing that I thought about later was that there is no reason why the IT as you say, and that concerns me because developers should also be part of that team, not classed as Administrators, but they are Information Technology developers so they should be labeled in that IT department. But there should be no reason that the Administrators can't setup a ColdFusion server and get it working, to the requirements needed, and as all developer license are technically Enterprise versions. Then there is no reason why the settings can be archived and deployed across to all other installations. But when it comes to IIS and Apache the Senior Developers should know how to use these tools, it is part of their job in the long run, there might be a time when you need to create a Virtual Directory, or they need to make changes to the rewrite rules for SES urls. There are many other things that are basic stuff that any Senior Developer should have, there are no ifs or buts on that. But like I said Junior Developers are different, but they are there to feed of the knowledge of the Senior Developers. Again I could go on and on, but the attitude on your argument is so far wrong it is not funny, but I do understand that Red Tape can play a huge part in all this as well, which is something you or your manager will need to address. The fact that you have been spending your time for so long working in a very un-productive manner is something that your manage should have known, or even began to address, if that is not his role then it is yours to then research, which you have done by addressing it here. And the unfortunate thing here, is that ColdFusion tends to also bring in a lot of designers who are forced to take on developer roles as well, this is something that Adobe should address at some point, but until or even if that ever happens, your company also needs to look at making some serious changes as well. I think everyone here does understand the Red Tape, but your arguments are not even strong enough to back up your position in any way. -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Michael Christensen <mich...@strib.dk>wrote: > > I admit, there may be every chance that the reason why I don't agree with > you is that A) I am not used to an environment in which developers develop > locally or (perhaps more frighteningly) B) I am just not very bright. > > I am always willing to learn and expand my horizon though, so could you > perhaps briefly explaine, why you consider it necessary for a developer to > be able to set up sites on an Apache or IIS? (I assume it's not just for > the sheer practicality of it - so that you don't have to wait around for > the IT dept.) > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354251 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
