You are sure implying a lot out of comments. I didn't specify what you should know. Further, I was referring to bastardization of terms, nothing else.
Do you know what terms like architecture, standard, application framework, or methodology mean? Before you answer that, let me tell you that you don't need to know what they mean in order to build good web applications. However, if you are going to learn about those terms and what they mean, you should learn their proper meaning. The Fusebox people have taken these terms and warped their meaning, so that people who learn Fusebox are in fact learning bad techniques. Not because the Fusebox techniques are bad, but because the Fusebox techniques do not fit the terms used to describe them. Now if you want to debate of the worthiness of Fusebox techniques, I'm game. On the other hand, if you want to talk about what things someone starting out in CF should know, I'm game for that too. -Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 7:22 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: I like CFMX > > Come on now that's a bit much isn't it? Why is something that takes those > things that work, and throws what doesn't away considered a > bastardization. > I mean I have heard plenty of people say we would still be writing > assembler > for dos without growth, right? (in my case basic on a commodore). Listen > not everyone who does CF has, nor wants, all this low level/process > knowledge. Hell it's not even a full time job for some of the people I > have > met . I mean people in HR and well all over different departments may end > up using this stuff in a large corporation. FB makes a lot of these > advanced principals available to the common man, and it does it damn well. > I mean christ I started learning CF right after I got out of the 82nd > Airborne. I was a grunt, an infantryman, no idea about oop principals, > extreme programming, mvc, struts. I hadn't read any of the books that I > have now, and I knew next to nothing, but guess what, I wrote some pretty > cool, and powerful web based apps using FB. Quick. > > As far as I am concerned you can do no better, as a newbie, than to learn > CF > and Fusebox at the same time. The lessons you learn about > maintainability, > portability, and functionality are lessons you NEED, and a whole lot > easier > to learn than grabbing a copy of code complete and just "figuring it out". > Now I didn't go to some college for four years and learn all these things. > Maybe if I had I would see it differently, but I doubt it. > > Tim Heald > ACP/CCFD > Application Development > www.schoollink.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:05 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: I like CFMX > > > I get all that without Fusebox. What is unique about Fusebox besides the > bastardization of common programming terms? > > -Matt > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tim Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 6:51 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: I like CFMX > > > > Nested layouts, circuits, MVC implementation in CF. A tried and true > > development process. Huge amounts of community support. I don't know > > about > > you, but it helps me a lot. > > > > Tim Heald > > ACP/CCFD > > Application Development > > www.schoollink.net > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:12 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: I like CFMX > > > > > > Good point, when Fusebox does something useful I'll use it too. > > > > -Matt > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 6:12 PM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: I like CFMX > > > > > > > > I'm happy to continue playing with CF, as long as > > > > > it can be used to deliver solutions better, faster, > > > > > and cheaper than the competition. > > > > > > > > Now if only we could get you to feel that way about > > > > Fusebox. Yeah, yeah, I know. It'll be a cold day in..... > > > > > > Well, it doesn't help me deliver solutions better, faster and > cheaper! > > But > > > you don't have to convince me - if it works for you, feel free to > > continue > > > using it without my seal of approval. I've never said that it hurts > > > anything > > > to use it, just that it doesn't help. > > > > > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > > > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > > voice: (202) 797-5496 > > > fax: (202) 797-5444 > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
