Dave 100% spot on.

Talk is cheap, we are out here making things happen correcting nonsensical
OO code and making it work in CF.  Bottom line CF Works, has is and will
continue to do so.  We are all delivering applications that users use, we're
walking the walk so as we say in good old Blighty, "stick that in your pipe
and smoke it" you non-believing elitist nit-wits.

There that feels better!

Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO
Webapper
http://www.webapper.com
Downey CA Office
562.243.6255
AIM - webappermb

"Webapper - Making the NET work"


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 4:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: I like CFMX


> You're on the wrong list. We were talking about being a
> hedonist on CFGURU. And I'm the one drinking...

Same conversation, different street corner. And drinking at noon doesn't
make you a hedonist, necessarily; it could make you a sot. Maybe you're
drinking your troubles away?

> Anyway, think about the perspective of non-CFers for a bit.
> Will Java people respect CFMX for what it is when they see
> some of the crap with CFCs? I am willing to bet that Java
> developers would have more respect for CFMX if CFCs weren't
> there.

I think it's futile to construct the CF platform so that it'll please Java
developers. CFML is thought of as a "toy" language now by that camp. Why
would someone who wants to write in an OO environment consider CF at all?
For that matter, CF has been thought of as a toy since its inception;
everybody who used something else was always happy to disparage CF in favor
of (Java/ASP/PHP/Perl/fill-in-the-blank). And, CF has almost always been a
better solution than those alternatives. I'm happy to continue playing with
CF, as long as it can be used to deliver solutions better, faster, and
cheaper than the competition.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
voice: (202) 797-5496
fax: (202) 797-5444


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