"the application has to reload which literally takes 1-2 minutes to do"
This issue is with the java class loader, not the hosting environment itself and is an inherent issue with the frameworks going around. I still think any issue you are having with your shared hosting is not going to be overcome by running your own server or VPS. The more sites you run the same issues are going to come up. -----Original Message----- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rony Sent: Tuesday, 26 August 2008 8:01 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Frameworks on shared hosting I guess another thing I find annoying with the shared hosting accounts is that they may flush cache , which means that if my site has not visitors for about 2 hours, lets say, then the application has to reload which literally takes 1-2 minutes to do. How can you expect users to wait that long ? I do appreciate having full control of my server and CF instance which is why a VPS / dedicate server might be a much better and more stable option. I know for sure my code base is fine. On Aug 26, 7:47 pm, michael sharman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had similar issues when CF8 was first released on Host My Site > > http://www.chapter31.com/2007/08/22/hostmysite-not-quite-as-stable-as... > > I've since moved on from them so not sure if things have improved or > not. People do mention the issues (on CF8) with the Java 6 class > loader which is the reason why a lot of CF8-ers roll back to using JVM > 1.5, the good news is that Sun (I believe) have fixed this issue in > the latest release. > > >Restarting the CF service ONCE a day is too many times. > > Agreed, HMS admitted that they were restarting JRun around 5 times a > day. Crazy stuff. > > However I think moving to a VPS would make the difference as long > there was nothing particularly wrong with your code to begin with and > you knew what you were doing in terms of setting up a server. > > It makes me wonder how much RAM a lot of these shared hosting > companies offer. 512MB (for a server/virtual) may be ok for a PHP > server etc but if you have a Java Application server like JRun > installed on windows it's really not going to handle many sites. > That's the nature of the beast. > > On Aug 26, 7:32 pm, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Good point Steve. > > > I might try that and see what happens. > > > I am sure that they are many other sites / applications that are > > causing the issue. I do not have any issues with my application on > > my dev machine and i have performance tested this with no evident issues. > > I am positive it is NOT my application. > > > I am sure it is a class loader shared hosting issue. > > > But I have no patience to keep worrying about the shared hosting > > account I have running. > > > On Aug 26, 7:24 pm, "Steve Onnis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Rony > > > > Moving to a VPS is not going to solve your problems. If it’s a > > > problem in a shared host and you think its your application that’s > > > the issue then it just means you will be moving the problem from a > > > shared host to your own hosted environment. > > > > I wouldn’t be saying that your script is causing the issue > > > (depending on what the script does of course). If all it does it > > > ping the site, then it would be just like someone visiting the > > > website anyway so I wouldn’t be too worried about that. > > > > Restarting the CF service ONCE a day is too many times. Are they > > > implying that it is your application that is causing the issues? > > > > What operating system and CF Server version are they running on? > > > I know I am having issues with memory not being released on > > > Windows 2003 64Bit and > > > CF8.01 64Bit Ent so that could be your issue there. > > > > I would find out what they are running and see if you can > > > replicate your development environment to match and run it locally > > > to test it. Sometimes I set up a frameset with like 10 frames in > > > it and just have the frames reloading to see how the memory goes > > > with constantly loading the application up. > > > > Steve > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Behalf > > > > Of Rony > > > Sent: Tuesday, 26 August 2008 7:17 PM > > > To: cfaussie > > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Frameworks on shared hosting > > > > I do really like using Reactor, but I might have a look at Transfer. > > > But Reactor seems to work for others in a shared environment. > > > > I do have a script that pings the server every 15 minutes but the > > > host claims that they are having to restart the JRun service 3-5 > > > times a day....now to me that is way to many times and that is the > > > cause of the problem. > > > > I am thinking of *maybe* moving to a VPS and getting all my sites > > > on that server. That should avoid any current and further issues > > > with the sites i build. > > > > On Aug 26, 7:00 pm, Toby Tremayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I've run a number of sites small and large on model glue with > > > > coldspring and transfer on shared hosting and haven't had any > > > > problems. i would highly recommend switching to transfer - it > > > > has a bunch of features lacking in reactor, is much much faster > > > > and the caching mechanisms are top notch. If you switch you'll > > > > probably find that alone seriously increases your performance. > > > > > Toby > > > > On 25/08/2008, at 8:28 PM, Rony wrote: > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > I have a few sites that I have built with CF using Reactor / > > > > > Coldspring / Model Glue. > > > > > > I have been experiencing slow load times when the application > > > > > reloads / initializes , probably due to the frameworks storing > > > > > the objects in the application scope and so forth. > > > > > > I understand that there is a JRun 6 class loader bug that > > > > > seems to affect the load time of these applications especially > > > > > on shared hosting. Well at least that is what i have been reading. > > > > > > I was wondering if others also use any framework(s) and have > > > > > experienced any issues? > > > > > > This is very frustrating as it is a turn off for me to use > > > > > frameworks let alone Coldfusion for my smaller sites - But i > > > > > really want > > > to! > > > > > > I know other use frameworks on shared hosting so it not like > > > > > these frameworks on shared hosting is a recipe for disaster. > > > > > > VPS plans / dedicated hosting is not worth it as the sites are > > > > > not that big to utilise these plans. > > > > > ----------------------------------- > > > > > Life is poetry, write it in your own words > > > > > ----------------------------------- > > > > > Toby Tremayne > > > > CEO > > > > Code Poet and Zen Master of the Heavy Sleep Magic Industries > > > > 0416 048 090 > > > > ICQ: 13107913 > > > > Skype: lyricist1 > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. 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