yeah good point steve.
On Aug 26, 8:06 pm, "Steve Onnis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "the application has to reload which literally takes 1-2 minutes to do"
>
> This issue is with the java class loader, not the hosting environment itself
> and is an inherent issue with the frameworks going around.
>
> I still think any issue you are having with your shared hosting is not going
> to be overcome by running your own server or VPS. The more sites you run
> the same issues are going to come up.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>
> Of Rony
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 August 2008 8:01 PM
> To: cfaussie
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Frameworks on shared hosting
>
> I guess another thing I find annoying with the shared hosting accounts is
> that they may flush cache , which means that if my site has not visitors for
> about 2 hours, lets say, then the application has to reload which literally
> takes 1-2 minutes to do. How can you expect users to wait that long ?
>
> I do appreciate having full control of my server and CF instance which is
> why a VPS / dedicate server might be a much better and more stable option.
>
> I know for sure my code base is fine.
>
> On Aug 26, 7:47 pm, michael sharman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I had similar issues when CF8 was first released on Host My Site
>
> >http://www.chapter31.com/2007/08/22/hostmysite-not-quite-as-stable-as...
>
> > I've since moved on from them so not sure if things have improved or
> > not. People do mention the issues (on CF8) with the Java 6 class
> > loader which is the reason why a lot of CF8-ers roll back to using JVM
> > 1.5, the good news is that Sun (I believe) have fixed this issue in
> > the latest release.
>
> > >Restarting the CF service ONCE a day is too many times.
>
> > Agreed, HMS admitted that they were restarting JRun around 5 times a
> > day. Crazy stuff.
>
> > However I think moving to a VPS would make the difference as long
> > there was nothing particularly wrong with your code to begin with and
> > you knew what you were doing in terms of setting up a server.
>
> > It makes me wonder how much RAM a lot of these shared hosting
> > companies offer. 512MB (for a server/virtual) may be ok for a PHP
> > server etc but if you have a Java Application server like JRun
> > installed on windows it's really not going to handle many sites.
> > That's the nature of the beast.
>
> > On Aug 26, 7:32 pm, Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Good point Steve.
>
> > > I might try that and see what happens.
>
> > > I am sure that they are many other sites / applications that are
> > > causing the issue. I do not have any issues with my application on
> > > my dev machine and i have performance tested this with no evident
> issues.
> > > I am positive it is NOT my application.
>
> > > I am sure it is a class loader shared hosting issue.
>
> > > But I have no patience to keep worrying about the shared hosting
> > > account I have running.
>
> > > On Aug 26, 7:24 pm, "Steve Onnis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Rony
>
> > > > Moving to a VPS is not going to solve your problems. If it’s a
> > > > problem in a shared host and you think its your application that’s
> > > > the issue then it just means you will be moving the problem from a
> > > > shared host to your own hosted environment.
>
> > > > I wouldn’t be saying that your script is causing the issue
> > > > (depending on what the script does of course). If all it does it
> > > > ping the site, then it would be just like someone visiting the
> > > > website anyway so I wouldn’t be too worried about that.
>
> > > > Restarting the CF service ONCE a day is too many times. Are they
> > > > implying that it is your application that is causing the issues?
>
> > > > What operating system and CF Server version are they running on?
> > > > I know I am having issues with memory not being released on
> > > > Windows 2003 64Bit and
> > > > CF8.01 64Bit Ent so that could be your issue there.
>
> > > > I would find out what they are running and see if you can
> > > > replicate your development environment to match and run it locally
> > > > to test it. Sometimes I set up a frameset with like 10 frames in
> > > > it and just have the frames reloading to see how the memory goes
> > > > with constantly loading the application up.
>
> > > > Steve
>
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > On Behalf
>
> > > > Of Rony
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 26 August 2008 7:17 PM
> > > > To: cfaussie
> > > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Frameworks on shared hosting
>
> > > > I do really like using Reactor, but I might have a look at Transfer.
> > > > But Reactor seems to work for others in a shared environment.
>
> > > > I do have a script that pings the server every 15 minutes but the
> > > > host claims that they are having to restart the JRun service 3-5
> > > > times a day....now to me that is way to many times and that is the
> > > > cause of the problem.
>
> > > > I am thinking of *maybe* moving to a VPS and getting all my sites
> > > > on that server. That should avoid any current and further issues
> > > > with the sites i build.
>
> > > > On Aug 26, 7:00 pm, Toby Tremayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > I've run a number of sites small and large on model glue with
> > > > > coldspring and transfer on shared hosting and haven't had any
> > > > > problems. i would highly recommend switching to transfer - it
> > > > > has a bunch of features lacking in reactor, is much much faster
> > > > > and the caching mechanisms are top notch. If you switch you'll
> > > > > probably find that alone seriously increases your performance.
>
> > > > > Toby
> > > > > On 25/08/2008, at 8:28 PM, Rony wrote:
>
> > > > > > Hi Guys,
>
> > > > > > I have a few sites that I have built with CF using Reactor /
> > > > > > Coldspring / Model Glue.
>
> > > > > > I have been experiencing slow load times when the application
> > > > > > reloads / initializes , probably due to the frameworks storing
> > > > > > the objects in the application scope and so forth.
>
> > > > > > I understand that there is a JRun 6 class loader bug that
> > > > > > seems to affect the load time of these applications especially
> > > > > > on shared hosting. Well at least that is what i have been reading.
>
> > > > > > I was wondering if others also use any framework(s) and have
> > > > > > experienced any issues?
>
> > > > > > This is very frustrating as it is a turn off for me to use
> > > > > > frameworks let alone Coldfusion for my smaller sites - But i
> > > > > > really want
> > > > to!
>
> > > > > > I know other use frameworks on shared hosting so it not like
> > > > > > these frameworks on shared hosting is a recipe for disaster.
>
> > > > > > VPS plans / dedicated hosting is not worth it as the sites are
> > > > > > not that big to utilise these plans.
>
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