Interesting point Gary. Coming as I do from a one-man-shop environment, I rarely think about developer/designer roles. I have to do it all.
But the reason I pointed out the zengarden site was because several people referred to the font tag in their critique of Rob's site, and there's a wonderful example of what can be done without using font tags at all. And without a whole lot of other code too. Every site has to undergo reskinning once in a while and depending on how you've written your code, it can be simple, with all the work on the designer's shoulders, or it can be hard, with the easy stuff on the designer's shoulders and the developer spending tedious hours going through code implementing the new design. You can fold your arms across your chest and say "that's not my responsibility - I'm a DEVELOPER not a DESIGNER" but I think you'd be wrong. It's all interrelated and I think developers can't be good at developing without understanding design issues. Just as designers cant be good at designing without understanding dynamic pages and what's possible. Cheers, Michael Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Menzel Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2003 10:03 AM To: CFAussie Mailing List Subject: [cfaussie] RE: my first cf page > Take a look at the zen garden project While I absolutely LOVE csszengarden I would just like to point out here that the site is primarily devoted to designers, not developers. Even the guidelines on the site say this. And while I agree we must (as developers) have a better handle on design - especially how to facilitate easy design changes - I also feel that we need to be careful about critiquing sites purely on how they look. The code behind the site may be absolutely flawless (but most of us just look at the trimming). As a developer I first focus on making sure the site actually works properly and is built in such a way so as to make changing the design easy (without breaking any of the code behind it). Rob's efforts in design (as Mike has just said) are better than most of us did on our first go's. AND - I don't remember Rob saying he was aspiring to be a designer - but more a developer. So, Rob, take the comments from everyone on board and add to the "good" outcomes you are already producing, aim past "excellent" for "outstanding", and you will be up there with the best of them! Gary Menzel Web Development Manager IT Operations Brisbane -+- ABN AMRO Morgans Limited Level 29, 123 Eagle Street BRISBANE QLD 4000 PH: 07 333 44 828 FX: 07 3834 0828 --- You are currently subscribed to cfaussie as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MXDU2004 + Macromedia DevCon AsiaPac + Sydney, Australia http://www.mxdu.com/ + 24-25 February, 2004
