On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:25:47 +1100, Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You can have just as lightweight interface in Flash then you can in > > HTML, i'd go a pepsi challenge on that alone - simply put flash has > > auto-optimization. It has more feedback capabilities for one and can > > support more browsers then javascript :) > > OK - 1 free pepsi for you once you've built a feature for feature > replica of gmail in Flash :)
ahuh! do you want a replica of its exact features (HTML wise) or do you want a lightweight version of the overall "general" features. You have to provide a neutral specification for them both as in manyways GMAIL is inheriting browser limiation in UI management then it would in FLASH. Interesting experiment though no? i'd love to see it done... not so i can make ol mark eat crow hehehe - more out curiousity... wait hold the phones, i will relent on issue that HTML cannot be outdown on... file upload.... CURSE YOU FLASH!!! CURSE YOU!!!... > I get where you and the rest of the RIA crew are coming from but I disagree. woah waoh.. i ain't an RIA crew.. i loathe that 3 letter acronymn > Why? I don't think RIA's have a significant future in the mainstream. > For some niche interfaces they are great and for fun stuff & kids > stuff Flash can't be beat. Agreed.. but..Depends on the context of the said application and its audience (ie Data operations vs Part-time operators/readers). RIA concept has been abused to the point where it's nearly now considered a swear word ;) i blame poor development and abuse of flash. Flash aside, in the right hands can be an awesome tool unto itself for the "mainstream web". Its been proven many times whats possible, just lack of skills / willing less to break away that html only restriction is confusing its purpose in life. > I've got few reasons to back up my logic but none of them are really > convincing enough to justify what I'm saying. I've just got a gut > feeling that the qualities that have really made the web work are not > readily apparent in Flash. Some (like addressibility) can be hitched > on with effort, but it doesn't naturally lend itself to the real > strengths of the web. I guess you could say its on a tangent. Its a > unique and useful tangent, but its not going to be able to break out > of a few niches. > > I'm not talking about Flash as a development environment or AS2 as a > language, I mean Flash as a medium for delivering content and services > to users. If it came down to a form based application with basic feedback in FLASH vs HTML? which would you choose and why (both as a developer and user). I think maybe even coldfusion 7 may open some doors for ye-ol Flash simply via the CFFORM.. i can see it now.. a developer has a workload stacked high, and the intranet app requries a form with tabbing or validations....does he A) opt for flash based one? or b) roll his own / download a DHTML one... > I used to love Flash and hate HTML, but I've pretty much come full circle. > > Having said all that - at one point I thought XML was all hype and > that it would never take off :) We'll see. I'm pro-Flash as of late - more so as i've spent my years in DHTML and have scars to boot and to put it bluntly, its freakin horrible toolset to use. Personally which ever gets the job done and makes the client(s) happy..wins. HTML can serve a purpose but majority of the time i look at and shake my head going "there is so many ways you could do thins better..if people weren't so hung up on the dreaded word..plugin..." -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --- You are currently subscribed to cfaussie as: [email protected] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aussie Macromedia Developers: http://lists.daemon.com.au/
