Birds of a Feather. I've never been to one, but I think they are an informal get-together at the conferences.
On 9/23/05, Kirk Brogdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm still working on BOF . . . > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Seth MacPherson > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 12:15 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Re: [CFCDev] Ruby on Rails for CF > > > Could someone please clue me in to what ORM means? Thanks. > > - Seth > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of John Paul Ashenfelter > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 7:14 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Re: [CFCDev] Ruby on Rails for CF > > On 9/23/05, hal helms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Oh, diggity: I could get seduced back into using Smalltalk...although I > hear > > Ruby is pretty sweet. I'll have to check Rails out: I know too little to > do > > more than voice an uninformed opinion. > > Actually, Ruby owes a lot of it's idioms to Smalltalk -- there's a > definite thread of connection. > > And I'll take the opportunity to point out that I'm talking about this > exact subject at the Fusebox and Frameworks conference next week. > Maybe we need to add a BOF? Here's a quick synopsis > > "And while you can't build your ColdFusion application in Rails > (yet!), there's still a lot that can be learned from the framework and > the Rails approach to application architecture. Come learn about the > framework that's having Java, PHP, and even .NET developers thinking > about running Ruby on Rails for their next application" > > Sounds like it's going to turn into more of an open forum :) :) > > But seriously, the big thing about Rails isn't that it's got ORM, > AJAX, or any of the other specific features. The key thing about Rails > is that the framework embodies many of the key best practices of the > Agile methodologies and bakes them right into the framework. > > For example: > + MVC design is required > + conventional configuration is automatic > + dev/test/production is built into the framework (you change an > environment var, not code) > + testing's built in (functional, unit, and even performance). > + you can directly interact with the running application from the > command line (e.g. dump out an object from the *production* > application, while it's running). > > etc, etc. Fundamentally, it makes things easy unless they need to be > hard -- and then all of the basic assumptions can be overridden > without massive code changes. > > More importantly, Rails makes it *really* hard to write bad code :) > > One quick example, David HH (the Rails creator) likes plural database > table names and underscore, so Rails ASSUMES that the the LineItem > object is stored in the database table line_items. If you're ok with > that, you're Ruby code is > > class LineItem < ActiveRecord::Base > end > > But if you'd rather name the database table in the singular and > without underscores, your code becomes > > class LineItem < ActiveRecord::Base > set_table_name "lineItem" > end > > So follow the convention, no problem. Have your own convention, no big deal. > > As an aside, the pluralizer in Rails is pretty basic -- it understads > that Person should be people and that Datum should be data in the db, > but it doesn't understand that Sheep is not sheeps... so > > class Sheep < ActiveRecord::Base > set_table_name "sheep" > end > > The Pragmatic Programmers (Dave Thomas/Andy Hunt) are some of the best > methodology guys around, and they are smitten w/ Ruby in general and > Rails in specific. And the open source community (esp the Java folks) > are jumping on board -- I had dinner with Dave Thomas, David HH > (rails' creator), James Duncan Davidson, Erik Hatcher, and a few > others at OSCON just as the book on Rails was being released. The > interest is *phenomenal* -- and extremely serious. > > The rails book from the Pragmatic Programmers is probably the best > serious source for learning rails, other than the rubyonrails.org > site. > > The reason this should be important to you as a CF developer is twofold: > > 1) Frameworks build on the improvements of other frameworks. For > example, Tapestry is lots more flexible than Struts for many Java > apps, but there are many ideas from Tapestry that are informing the > design of Struts 2.0 (aka Shale). > > 2) Rails is the first serious new contender in the web dev world > that's object-oriented and RAD. Interestingly, many of the arguments > against it are similar to those against CF ("It can't scale". "What's > that weird langauge -- it's not .NET or Java", etc). CF's always had > the advantage over the other platforms in speed of development, easy > of use, etc. Rails certainly can complete on those terms. I think in > the coming 12-18 months, lots of proposals that might have gone to CF > shops may go to RoR since the Agile java folks are heading that > direction. My 2c. > > -- > John Paul Ashenfelter > CTO/Transitionpoint > (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com > (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > You are subscribed to cfcdev. 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