Great stuff Brian, I think you hit the nail on the head in that many people do something without really understanding why they are doing it.
Thank You Dan Vega [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.danvega.org On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Brian Kotek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is caused in a large part by the code generators that introspect the > database and generate CFCs. While those can be great time saving tools, the > reality is that most people just take what gets generated and then run with > it without thinking further about what they're doing. > > This is why we get people with 5 CFCs for every single table in their > database, and why people think that just because they're following these > "patterns" (bean, DAO, etc.) that they are doing OOP. If everything is > data-centric and there is no actual behavior in the objects, then all one > really has is a totally procedural, data-centric application that has been > shoved into CFCs. It really ends up being the worst of both worlds: all the > complexity of OO with none of the benefits. > > Hal is completely correct that we need to get away from the fixation on > data or slavishly following patterns without really understanding the > tradeoffs involved. Each pattern has consequences, and not all of them are > good. The unfortunate reality is that truly groking OOP takes a long time > and a major shift in mindset. There's no easy route to getting there, but > one route that is probably among the most difficult is to blindly apply > patterns or let code generators "do the work" without truly understanding > what's going on or why these patterns exist. > > > On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Dan Vega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Adam, >> I am sure you going to hear some slack for that but I am huge fan of what >> you just said. In Hal Helm's presentation he noted that we really need to >> quite being so data centric when thinking of OO development. MVC is a great >> start for people to solve a specific problem but everyone really needs to >> stop following everyone and thinking that 5 cfcs are OO development. I am >> doing a lot of research at the moment about OO in other languages and hope >> to share my findings soon. >> >> Thank You >> Dan Vega >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://www.danvega.org >> >> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> At the end of the day we all need to stop talking about DOA and Gateways >>> and all this Database crap as much as we do. Its old, trite, and quite >>> honestly doesn't make a hill of beans difference most of the time. Honestly, >>> ask yourself, "How many applications would I have been completely screwed if >>> I chose to split my gateway and DAO up, or vice versa?" If you have a use >>> case for that please by all means share it I'd love to hear it. If all we >>> are concerned about is DAO or gateway then chances are something else, much >>> more important, is being overlooked (not pointing fingers at anyone here :) >>> ). If all you are doing is a large reporting app chances are you don't need >>> to be doing complete OO anyway, yes I know sacrilege. Its true though >>> ColdFusion is perfect for reporting without the heavy OO we try to apply to >>> it in too many cases. Thinking back through some of the reporting apps I did >>> and shoehorning them into an OO architecture I can confidently say I should >>> have stuck with a light version of MVC and moved on. >>> >>> Adam Haskell >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CFCDev" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfcdev?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
