that's very interesting... he replaced "RUDY" with "MICHAEL". Thanks for sending that, Matt. It adds a different perspective to the thread.
so sorry this episode has left such a bitter taste in everyone's mouth... kevin... you and byron did a great job on cfNorth. kevin, thanks for ALL the time and energy you put into the community up here. I think you know that everyone here really appreciates your generosity. (I think i can safely make that statement!) And charlie, you are such a great guy for doing your part to inject kindness and calm into this whole episode. everyone, it's friday. just go out and enjoy the weather (finally!) and let's all take care of each other. cheers, carina Matt Liotta wrote: > FYI, I got it too; see below > > -Matt > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:56 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Why I haven't registered for CFUN-02... > > > > > > > > A user posted this to a CF ListSRV, and I responded in a way that > > I think reflects the spirit of this conference, beyond the technology. > > Let me know what you think. > > > > --- the user responded to the question: Why haven't you registered for > > CFUN-02 --- > > because i was laid off and i'm still unemployed > > this freelancing is not what it's cut out to be > > my technical skills are okay, what i cannot seem to be able to do is > > drum up the work -- i guess i'm not a salesman > > i pay rent and groceries out of an ever-declining savings account > > when that's gone, i don't know what's going to happen to my kids > > this is no time to be treating myself to a conference > > > > DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MICHAEL? > > > > > > --- My Response --- > > No Rudy, I don't understand at all. > > > > you shouldn't consider this conference as a "Treat" it certainly is > > not that. Being in the position you are in, especially if you are > > freelancing, you need to do a few things to keep building your future > > (ColdFusion aside for a sec). > > > > - Market your skills: CFUN-02 will be a fantastic place to market your > > skills, connect with other freelancers, or small companies. Talk > > about the market, and talk about where it is going, and what you can > > offer it. > > > > - Upgrade your skills: CFUN-02 really is cheap when you consider what > > we have there. ColdFusion courses (2-Day) start around $1200. The > > scope of people we have coming to this conference represent all that > > is the internet today - starting with ColdFusion, but really goes > > beyond that. The Macromedia DevCon in Florida will run you around > > $2000 after travel, fees and hotel, JAVAONE in SanFran - over $2500 > > and the FlashForward in SanFran is over $2000 !! -- really, $200 is > > not much. > > > > - Look for work: Yea, the market is tight, there is no question about > > it. Everyone is taking a hit, but there are companies that are looking > > for people, and investing in a conference of this type demonstrates > > your willingness and commitment to the market and the community. > > > > The CFUN-02 weekend should not be considered a "party" or a relaxing > > time. It is a time to learn and to mark your place in this industry > > and put one foot in front of the other. Freelance work can not be > > achieved if you make appearances and get your name out there. > > > > At the end of the day on Sunday, you will be exhausted. Your mind > > should be running off in all directions and you should have a pocket > > full of business cards. You will be tired from preparing your > > position before the conference, perhaps setting up a portfolio, and > > you will be tired from following up with all the leads you are bound > > to get. > > > > This is just my opinion, Family and living is always top priority and > > by no means can I relate to your position, but if you are in this > > industry, and want to stay in this industry local events like this > > one, FlashInTheCan, IMAT, MDCFUG, SIGGRAPH and all the others are > > extremely important. > > > > The reason we are putting so much energy into this conference is to > > bring the big names, authors and developers to our city to provide an > > opportunity for those folks who don't have the luxury of going to the > > big conferences to experience what they offer in spirit, motivation, > > education and most importantly to bring the local communiy together > > for a weekend to "connect". > > > > I believe in this community and this industry and we feel that an > > event such as this is really needed right now, for more reasons then > > we can list. > > > > So, with all of this said, I really hope that you would re-consider > > you position, and I really hope we will see you at the conference, > > but if not, then I wish you the best in your freelance work. > > > > Michael Smith > > > > ----------------- > > Get great CF knowledge at CFUN-02. Learn more about ColdFusion MX. > > Hear more from famous CF authors and speakers Ben Forta, Charlie > > Arehart, Michael Dinowitz, Steve Drucker and Hal Helms plus many > > more... > > > > You get two days chocked full of hidden CF tips and methods and learn > > about the new version of ColdFusion - CF MX - that will change our > > programming lives. Don't get left behind in the MX revolution. > > > > Macromedia ColdFusion MX represents many months and many > > developer-years of work. The CF MX team took many programmer requests > > for new features in ColdFusion to produce the most revolutionary > > release of ColdFusion ever. > > > > CF MX lets you > > - moves CF to a standards-based architecture > > - creates exciting new features - CF Components, true Functions > > - integrates ColdFusion with Flash and Dreamweaver > > - runs on J2EE java platform for speed and features > > - call java routines from CF > > - create web services in CF > > > > ColdFusion MX also includes innovative new features like ColdFusion > > Components, built-in XML handling, great support for web services, and > > native connectivity to the Macromedia Flash Player. The MX family of > > products - Dreamweaver MX, Flash MX, Fireworks MX, and ColdFusion MX > > - now offer an integrated environment for creating the most exciting > > applications on the Internet. > > > > **************************************** > > * The best way to learn about * > > * ColdFusion MX is to come to CFUN-02! * > > **************************************** > > > > > > - Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc http://www.teratech.com/ > > > > CFUN-02 http://www.cfconf.com/cfun-02/ > > -------------------------------------- > > The Fourth Annual TeraTech ColdFusion Conference > > $179 until 4/30/02, $199 afterwards. > > Saturday, June 15th - Sunday, June 16th, 2002 > > Rockville Double-Tree Hotel (opposite Twinbrook metro) > > http://www.cfconf.com/cfun-02/ > > Sponsored by TeraTech and MDCFUG > > > > Speakers include well known CF authors and speakers: > > > > * Ben Forta "XML" > > * Charlie Arehart "CFMX Hidden Gems" > > * Michael Dinowitz "CFSCRIPT tips and tricks" > > * Steve Drucker "Printing, Reporting, and Graphing" > > * Raymond Camden "Security in CFMX" > > * Sandra Clark "Migrating from CF 5 to CF Mx" > > * Adam Churvis "Leveraging the New MX Functions and Components" > > * Benjamin Elmore "Leveraging Java in CFMX." > > * Shlomy Gantz "Project Management for the MX generation" > > * Hal Helms "Implementing model view controller with Fusebox" > > * Kevin Towes "ColdFusion Mx and FlashMx Integration using Salsa" > > * Robi Sen "Web services and CF" > > > > > > Includes CF party and networking event Saturday night - you change to > > chat with CF's hottest speakers! > > > > Quotes from last year's conference > > "This is definitely beneficial to ColdFusion developers or wannabes. > > I went last year and not only was it great fun, but I learned more > > there than I can express, as well as made invaluable contacts with CF > > gurus. Hope to see some of you there!" > > - Bonnie E. Betts > > > > "You and TeraTech deserve a lot of credit for hosting these > > conferences and being a driving force in the CF community. I believe > > that the local CF community wouldn't be what it is today if > > it weren't for these efforts." > > - Don Neizer > > > > Please tell your CF friends about CFUN-02. Thanks! > > - Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc http://www.teratech.com/ > > MDCFUG http://www.cfug-md.org/ > > > > > > > > > > PS- if we have your name and address wrong, or if you don't want to > > receive > > email from TeraTech, please email reply to us with the correct > > information. > > Thanks again! > > > > MDCFUG_ID: 1427 > > > > > > , > > , > > > > Tel: Fax: > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [If you don't want to receive our programmer emails just reply to this > > email saying Remove] > > > > > > -- > > Michael Smith, TeraTech Inc - Tools for Programmers(tm) > > CF/ASP Web, VB, Telephony, Math, Access programming tools and > consulting > > 12221 Parklawn Dr Ste 200, Rockville MD 20852 USA > > Please check out http://www.teratech.com/ - email > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], > > or call us for more information; in the USA at 1-800-447-9120, > > +1-301-881-1440 International, Fax 301-881-3586 Thanks! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > On > > Behalf Of charles arehart > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 9:54 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [CFTALKTor] LIAR, LIAR!!! > > > > Rudy, not to diminish your justifiable feeling of indignity, but are > you > > sure that the note you're referring to was sent to more than just you? > I'm > > on the mailing list for the CFUN-2k and didn't see such a message go > to > > the > > list. > > > > Now, let me be clear, even if it was to just you, I'll agree that it's > > inappropriate for him to have reworded Kevin's reply that was made on > this > > list and pass it off as his own. He could have said "here's a reply > that > > was > > offered to a similar question about another question, which I've > reworded > > to > > apply to ours as well". Was that bad judgment? Sure. And he owes you > and > > Kevin an apology. > > > > But assuming he did just send it to you, I'd like to inject a little > > levity > > in the heat of the moment to say: what are the odds of that! I just > marvel > > at the incredible coincidence that he sent that reply (again, > especially > > if > > it was just to you) to you, who had been the source of the very thread > in > > which Kevin had replied. I mean, that's just amazing! :-) > > > > /charlie > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > > > Behalf Of Steve Budan > > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 12:37 PM > > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > > Subject: RE: [CFTALKTor] LIAR, LIAR!!! > > > > > > > > > I got that email but mine was different. It made no mention of > > > you, however > > > I attended CFNorth, maybe that made a difference? It would seem > > > it was some > > > sort of automated email blast snafu. > > > > > > -steve > > > > > > Here is the content, with my address an phone # removed > > > I am confused about the registration #, since I didn't register for > > CFUN2 > > > But as long as I don't get a bill...... > > > > > > content > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Steve > > > > > > Thanks for coming to CFNORTH! Get more of the same great CF > knowledge > > > at CFUN-02. Learn more about ColdFusion MX. Hear more from famous CF > > > authors and speakers Ben Forta, Charlie Arehart, Michael Dinowitz, > > > Steve Drucker and Hal Helms plus many more... > > > > > > You get two days chocked full of hidden CF tips and methods and > learn > > > about the new version of ColdFusion - CF MX - that will change our > > > programming lives. Don't get left behind in the MX revolution. > > > > > > Macromedia ColdFusion MX represents many months and many > > > developer-years of work. The CF MX team took many programmer > requests > > > for new features in ColdFusion to produce the most revolutionary > > > release of ColdFusion ever. > > > > > > CF MX lets you > > > - moves CF to a standards-based architecture > > > - creates exciting new features - CF Components, true Functions > > > - integrates ColdFusion with Flash and Dreamweaver > > > - runs on J2EE java platform for speed and features > > > - call java routines from CF > > > - create web services in CF > > > > > > ColdFusion MX also includes innovative new features like ColdFusion > > > Components, built-in XML handling, great support for web services, > and > > > native connectivity to the Macromedia Flash Player. The MX family of > > > products - Dreamweaver MX, Flash MX, Fireworks MX, and ColdFusion MX > > > - now offer an integrated environment for creating the most exciting > > > applications on the Internet. > > > > > > **************************************** > > > * The best way to learn about * > > > * ColdFusion MX is to come to CFUN-02! * > > > **************************************** > > > > > > > > > - Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc http://www.teratech.com/ > > > > > > CFUN-02 http://www.cfconf.com/cfun-02/ > > > -------------------------------------- > > > The Fourth Annual TeraTech ColdFusion Conference > > > $179 until 4/30/02, $199 afterwards. > > > Saturday, June 15th - Sunday, June 16th, 2002 > > > Rockville Double-Tree Hotel (opposite Twinbrook metro) > > > http://www.cfconf.com/cfun-02/ > > > Sponsored by TeraTech and MDCFUG > > > > > > Speakers include well known CF authors and speakers: > > > > > > * Ben Forta "XML" > > > * Charlie Arehart "CFMX Hidden Gems" > > > * Michael Dinowitz "CFSCRIPT tips and tricks" > > > * Steve Drucker "Printing, Reporting, and Graphing" > > > * Raymond Camden "Security in CFMX" > > > * Sandra Clark "Migrating from CF 5 to CF Mx" > > > * Adam Churvis "Leveraging the New MX Functions and Components" > > > * Benjamin Elmore "Leveraging Java in CFMX." > > > * Shlomy Gantz "Project Management for the MX generation" > > > * Hal Helms "Implementing model view controller with Fusebox" > > > * Kevin Towes "ColdFusion Mx and FlashMx Integration using Salsa" > > > * Robi Sen "Web services and CF" > > > > > > > > > Includes CF party and networking event Saturday night - you change > to > > > chat with CF's hottest speakers! > > > > > > Quotes from last year's conference > > > "This is definitely beneficial to ColdFusion developers or wannabes. > > > I went last year and not only was it great fun, but I learned more > > > there than I can express, as well as made invaluable contacts with > CF > > > gurus. Hope to see some of you there!" > > > - Bonnie E. Betts > > > > > > "You and TeraTech deserve a lot of credit for hosting these > > > conferences and being a driving force in the CF community. I believe > > > that the local CF community wouldn't be what it is today if > > > it weren't for these efforts." > > > - Don Neizer > > > > > > Please tell your CF friends about CFUN-02. 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