Sorry, I was standing up typing, about to head out. While it may have been obvious, I meant to say:
> Sadly, I have to admit that my "amazement at the odds" about Rudy getting the *note* is now diminished (turned to dismay) *now* that Matt has shared that he, too, got the note. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of charles arehart > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 5:58 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [CFTALKTor] LIAR, LIAR!!! > > > Thanks for that, and thanks also to Steve's kind words earlier. I'm very > happy to be a part of this list and am as stoked about all the other cool > people in the community. Sadly, I have to admit that my "amazement at the > odds" about Rudy getting the not is now diminished (turned to dismay) not > that Matt has shared that he, too, got the note. > > But, again, Michael has apologized to Kevin. And hopefully he > will reply to > Rudy's cc of the original note. Like Carina says, let's call it a week and > start out next week all refreshed and recharged (we yanks are celebrating > Memorial Day on Monday, and there's just gorgeous weather down here in > DC--spent the day golfing). > > /charlie > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > > Behalf Of carina cojeen > > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 3:01 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [CFTALKTor] LIAR, LIAR!!! > > > > > > that's very interesting... he replaced "RUDY" with "MICHAEL". > Thanks for > > sending that, Matt. It adds a different perspective to the thread. > > > > so sorry this episode has left such a bitter taste in > everyone's mouth... > > > > kevin... you and byron did a great job on cfNorth. > > kevin, thanks for ALL the time and energy you put into the > > community up here. > > I think you know that everyone here really appreciates your > > generosity. (I > > think i can safely make that statement!) > > > > And charlie, you are such a great guy for doing your part to > > inject kindness > > and calm into this whole episode. > > > > everyone, it's friday. just go out and enjoy the weather > > (finally!) and let's > > all take care of each other. > > > > cheers, > > carina > > > > > > Matt Liotta wrote: > > > > > FYI, I got it too; see below > > > > > > -Matt > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Michael Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:56 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Why I haven't registered for CFUN-02... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A user posted this to a CF ListSRV, and I responded in a way that > > > > I think reflects the spirit of this conference, beyond the > technology. > > > > Let me know what you think. > > > > > > > > --- the user responded to the question: Why haven't you > registered for > > > > CFUN-02 --- > > > > because i was laid off and i'm still unemployed > > > > this freelancing is not what it's cut out to be > > > > my technical skills are okay, what i cannot seem to be able to do is > > > > drum up the work -- i guess i'm not a salesman > > > > i pay rent and groceries out of an ever-declining savings account > > > > when that's gone, i don't know what's going to happen to my kids > > > > this is no time to be treating myself to a conference > > > > > > > > DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MICHAEL? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- My Response --- > > > > No Rudy, I don't understand at all. > > > > > > > > you shouldn't consider this conference as a "Treat" it certainly is > > > > not that. Being in the position you are in, especially if you are > > > > freelancing, you need to do a few things to keep building > your future > > > > (ColdFusion aside for a sec). > > > > > > > > - Market your skills: CFUN-02 will be a fantastic place to > market your > > > > skills, connect with other freelancers, or small companies. Talk > > > > about the market, and talk about where it is going, and what you can > > > > offer it. > > > > > > > > - Upgrade your skills: CFUN-02 really is cheap when you > consider what > > > > we have there. ColdFusion courses (2-Day) start around $1200. The > > > > scope of people we have coming to this conference represent all that > > > > is the internet today - starting with ColdFusion, but really goes > > > > beyond that. The Macromedia DevCon in Florida will run you around > > > > $2000 after travel, fees and hotel, JAVAONE in SanFran - over $2500 > > > > and the FlashForward in SanFran is over $2000 !! -- really, $200 is > > > > not much. > > > > > > > > - Look for work: Yea, the market is tight, there is no > question about > > > > it. Everyone is taking a hit, but there are companies that > are looking > > > > for people, and investing in a conference of this type demonstrates > > > > your willingness and commitment to the market and the community. > > > > > > > > The CFUN-02 weekend should not be considered a "party" or a relaxing > > > > time. It is a time to learn and to mark your place in this industry > > > > and put one foot in front of the other. Freelance work can not be > > > > achieved if you make appearances and get your name out there. > > > > > > > > At the end of the day on Sunday, you will be exhausted. Your mind > > > > should be running off in all directions and you should have a pocket > > > > full of business cards. You will be tired from preparing your > > > > position before the conference, perhaps setting up a portfolio, and > > > > you will be tired from following up with all the leads you are bound > > > > to get. > > > > > > > > This is just my opinion, Family and living is always top > priority and > > > > by no means can I relate to your position, but if you are in this > > > > industry, and want to stay in this industry local events like this > > > > one, FlashInTheCan, IMAT, MDCFUG, SIGGRAPH and all the others are > > > > extremely important. > > > > > > > > The reason we are putting so much energy into this conference is to > > > > bring the big names, authors and developers to our city to > provide an > > > > opportunity for those folks who don't have the luxury of > going to the > > > > big conferences to experience what they offer in spirit, motivation, > > > > education and most importantly to bring the local communiy together > > > > for a weekend to "connect". > > > > > > > > I believe in this community and this industry and we feel that an > > > > event such as this is really needed right now, for more reasons then > > > > we can list. > > > > > > > > So, with all of this said, I really hope that you would re-consider > > > > you position, and I really hope we will see you at the conference, > > > > but if not, then I wish you the best in your freelance work. > > > > > > > > Michael Smith > > > > > > > > ----------------- > > > > Get great CF knowledge at CFUN-02. Learn more about ColdFusion MX. > > > > Hear more from famous CF authors and speakers Ben Forta, Charlie > > > > Arehart, Michael Dinowitz, Steve Drucker and Hal Helms plus many > > > > more... > > > > > > > > You get two days chocked full of hidden CF tips and methods > and learn > > > > about the new version of ColdFusion - CF MX - that will change our > > > > programming lives. Don't get left behind in the MX revolution. > > > > > > > > Macromedia ColdFusion MX represents many months and many > > > > developer-years of work. The CF MX team took many > programmer requests > > > > for new features in ColdFusion to produce the most revolutionary > > > > release of ColdFusion ever. > > > > > > > > CF MX lets you > > > > - moves CF to a standards-based architecture > > > > - creates exciting new features - CF Components, true Functions > > > > - integrates ColdFusion with Flash and Dreamweaver > > > > - runs on J2EE java platform for speed and features > > > > - call java routines from CF > > > > - create web services in CF > > > > > > > > ColdFusion MX also includes innovative new features like ColdFusion > > > > Components, built-in XML handling, great support for web > services, and > > > > native connectivity to the Macromedia Flash Player. The MX family of > > > > products - Dreamweaver MX, Flash MX, Fireworks MX, and ColdFusion MX > > > > - now offer an integrated environment for creating the most exciting > > > > applications on the Internet. > > > > > > > > **************************************** > > > > * The best way to learn about * > > > > * ColdFusion MX is to come to CFUN-02! * > > > > **************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > - Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc http://www.teratech.com/ > > > > > > > > CFUN-02 http://www.cfconf.com/cfun-02/ > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > > The Fourth Annual TeraTech ColdFusion Conference > > > > $179 until 4/30/02, $199 afterwards. > > > > Saturday, June 15th - Sunday, June 16th, 2002 > > > > Rockville Double-Tree Hotel (opposite Twinbrook metro) > > > > http://www.cfconf.com/cfun-02/ > > > > Sponsored by TeraTech and MDCFUG > > > > > > > > Speakers include well known CF authors and speakers: > > > > > > > > * Ben Forta "XML" > > > > * Charlie Arehart "CFMX Hidden Gems" > > > > * Michael Dinowitz "CFSCRIPT tips and tricks" > > > > * Steve Drucker "Printing, Reporting, and Graphing" > > > > * Raymond Camden "Security in CFMX" > > > > * Sandra Clark "Migrating from CF 5 to CF Mx" > > > > * Adam Churvis "Leveraging the New MX Functions and Components" > > > > * Benjamin Elmore "Leveraging Java in CFMX." > > > > * Shlomy Gantz "Project Management for the MX generation" > > > > * Hal Helms "Implementing model view controller with Fusebox" > > > > * Kevin Towes "ColdFusion Mx and FlashMx Integration using Salsa" > > > > * Robi Sen "Web services and CF" > > > > > > > > > > > > Includes CF party and networking event Saturday night - you > change to > > > > chat with CF's hottest speakers! > > > > > > > > Quotes from last year's conference > > > > "This is definitely beneficial to ColdFusion developers or wannabes. > > > > I went last year and not only was it great fun, but I learned more > > > > there than I can express, as well as made invaluable > contacts with CF > > > > gurus. Hope to see some of you there!" > > > > - Bonnie E. Betts > > > > > > > > "You and TeraTech deserve a lot of credit for hosting these > > > > conferences and being a driving force in the CF community. I believe > > > > that the local CF community wouldn't be what it is today if > > > > it weren't for these efforts." > > > > - Don Neizer > > > > > > > > Please tell your CF friends about CFUN-02. Thanks! > > > > - Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc http://www.teratech.com/ > > > > MDCFUG http://www.cfug-md.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS- if we have your name and address wrong, or if you don't want to > > > > receive > > > > email from TeraTech, please email reply to us with the correct > > > > information. > > > > Thanks again! > > > > > > > > MDCFUG_ID: 1427 > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > , > > > > > > > > Tel: Fax: > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > [If you don't want to receive our programmer emails just > reply to this > > > > email saying Remove] > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Michael Smith, TeraTech Inc - Tools for Programmers(tm) > > > > CF/ASP Web, VB, Telephony, Math, Access programming tools and > > > consulting > > > > 12221 Parklawn Dr Ste 200, Rockville MD 20852 USA > > > > Please check out http://www.teratech.com/ - email > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], > > > > or call us for more information; in the USA at 1-800-447-9120, > > > > +1-301-881-1440 International, Fax 301-881-3586 Thanks! > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > On > > > > Behalf Of charles arehart > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 9:54 AM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: RE: [CFTALKTor] LIAR, LIAR!!! > > > > > > > > Rudy, not to diminish your justifiable feeling of indignity, but are > > > you > > > > sure that the note you're referring to was sent to more > than just you? > > > I'm > > > > on the mailing list for the CFUN-2k and didn't see such a message go > > > to > > > > the > > > > list. > > > > > > > > Now, let me be clear, even if it was to just you, I'll > agree that it's > > > > inappropriate for him to have reworded Kevin's reply that > was made on > > > this > > > > list and pass it off as his own. He could have said "here's a reply > > > that > > > > was > > > > offered to a similar question about another question, which I've > > > reworded > > > > to > > > > apply to ours as well". Was that bad judgment? Sure. And he owes you > > > and > > > > Kevin an apology. > > > > > > > > But assuming he did just send it to you, I'd like to inject a little > > > > levity > > > > in the heat of the moment to say: what are the odds of that! I just > > > marvel > > > > at the incredible coincidence that he sent that reply (again, > > > especially > > > > if > > > > it was just to you) to you, who had been the source of the > very thread > > > in > > > > which Kevin had replied. I mean, that's just amazing! :-) > > > > > > > > /charlie > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > > > > > Behalf Of Steve Budan > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 12:37 PM > > > > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > > > > Subject: RE: [CFTALKTor] LIAR, LIAR!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got that email but mine was different. It made no mention of > > > > > you, however > > > > > I attended CFNorth, maybe that made a difference? It would seem > > > > > it was some > > > > > sort of automated email blast snafu. > > > > > > > > > > -steve > > > > > > > > > > Here is the content, with my address an phone # removed > > > > > I am confused about the registration #, since I didn't > register for > > > > CFUN2 > > > > > But as long as I don't get a bill...... > > > > > > > > > > content > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for coming to CFNORTH! Get more of the same great CF > > > knowledge > > > > > at CFUN-02. Learn more about ColdFusion MX. Hear more > from famous CF > > > > > authors and speakers Ben Forta, Charlie Arehart, Michael Dinowitz, > > > > > Steve Drucker and Hal Helms plus many more... > > > > > > > > > > You get two days chocked full of hidden CF tips and methods and > > > learn > > > > > about the new version of ColdFusion - CF MX - that will change our > > > > > programming lives. Don't get left behind in the MX revolution. > > > > > > > > > > Macromedia ColdFusion MX represents many months and many > > > > > developer-years of work. The CF MX team took many programmer > > > requests > > > > > for new features in ColdFusion to produce the most revolutionary > > > > > release of ColdFusion ever. > > > > > > > > > > CF MX lets you > > > > > - moves CF to a standards-based architecture > > > > > - creates exciting new features - CF Components, true Functions > > > > > - integrates ColdFusion with Flash and Dreamweaver > > > > > - runs on J2EE java platform for speed and features > > > > > - call java routines from CF > > > > > - create web services in CF > > > > > > > > > > ColdFusion MX also includes innovative new features like > ColdFusion > > > > > Components, built-in XML handling, great support for web services, > > > and > > > > > native connectivity to the Macromedia Flash Player. The > MX family of > > > > > products - Dreamweaver MX, Flash MX, Fireworks MX, and > ColdFusion MX > > > > > - now offer an integrated environment for creating the > most exciting > > > > > applications on the Internet. > > > > > > > > > > **************************************** > > > > > * The best way to learn about * > > > > > * ColdFusion MX is to come to CFUN-02! * > > > > > **************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc http://www.teratech.com/ > > > > > > > > > > CFUN-02 http://www.cfconf.com/cfun-02/ > > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > > > The Fourth Annual TeraTech ColdFusion Conference > > > > > $179 until 4/30/02, $199 afterwards. > > > > > Saturday, June 15th - Sunday, June 16th, 2002 > > > > > Rockville Double-Tree Hotel (opposite Twinbrook metro) > > > > > http://www.cfconf.com/cfun-02/ > > > > > Sponsored by TeraTech and MDCFUG > > > > > > > > > > Speakers include well known CF authors and speakers: > > > > > > > > > > * Ben Forta "XML" > > > > > * Charlie Arehart "CFMX Hidden Gems" > > > > > * Michael Dinowitz "CFSCRIPT tips and tricks" > > > > > * Steve Drucker "Printing, Reporting, and Graphing" > > > > > * Raymond Camden "Security in CFMX" > > > > > * Sandra Clark "Migrating from CF 5 to CF Mx" > > > > > * Adam Churvis "Leveraging the New MX Functions and Components" > > > > > * Benjamin Elmore "Leveraging Java in CFMX." > > > > > * Shlomy Gantz "Project Management for the MX generation" > > > > > * Hal Helms "Implementing model view controller with Fusebox" > > > > > * Kevin Towes "ColdFusion Mx and FlashMx Integration using Salsa" > > > > > * Robi Sen "Web services and CF" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Includes CF party and networking event Saturday night - you change > > > to > > > > > chat with CF's hottest speakers! > > > > > > > > > > Quotes from last year's conference > > > > > "This is definitely beneficial to ColdFusion developers > or wannabes. > > > > > I went last year and not only was it great fun, but I learned more > > > > > there than I can express, as well as made invaluable contacts with > > > CF > > > > > gurus. Hope to see some of you there!" > > > > > - Bonnie E. Betts > > > > > > > > > > "You and TeraTech deserve a lot of credit for hosting these > > > > > conferences and being a driving force in the CF > community. I believe > > > > > that the local CF community wouldn't be what it is today if > > > > > it weren't for these efforts." > > > > > - Don Neizer > > > > > > > > > > Please tell your CF friends about CFUN-02. Thanks! > > > > > - Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc http://www.teratech.com/ > > > > > MDCFUG http://www.cfug-md.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS- if we have your name and address wrong, or if you don't want > > > > > to receive > > > > > email from TeraTech, please email reply to us with the correct > > > > > information. > > > > > Thanks again! > > > > > > > > > > RegistrationID: XXXX > > > > > Steve Budan > > > > > xxxxxx Inc. > > > > > xxxxxx Road, Suite xxxxx > > > > > Toronto, ON X9X 9X9 > > > > > > > > > > Tel: XXX-XXX-XXXX Fax: > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > [If you don't want to receive our programmer emails just reply to > > > > > this email > > > > > saying Remove] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Michael Smith, TeraTech Inc - Tools for Programmers(tm) > > > > > CF/ASP Web, VB, Telephony, Math, Access programming tools and > > > consulting > > > > > 12221 Parklawn Dr Ste 200, Rockville MD 20852 USA > > > > > Please check out http://www.teratech.com/ - email > > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], > > > > or call us for more information; in the USA at 1-800-447-9120, > > > > +1-301-881-1440 International, Fax 301-881-3586 Thanks! > > > > - > > > > You are subscribed to the CFUGToronto CFTALK ListSRV. > > > > This message has been posted by: Steve Budan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To Unsubscribe, Please Visit and Login to http://www.CFUGToronto.org/ > > > Manager: Kevin Towes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > http://www.CFUGToronto.org/ > > > This System has been donated by Infopreneur, Inc. > > > (http://www.infopreneur.net) > > > > > > - > > > You are subscribed to the CFUGToronto CFTALK ListSRV. > > > This message has been posted by: "charles arehart" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To Unsubscribe, Please Visit and Login to http://www.CFUGToronto.org/ > > > Manager: Kevin Towes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > http://www.CFUGToronto.org/ > > > This System has been donated by Infopreneur, Inc. > > > (http://www.infopreneur.net) > > > > - > > You are subscribed to the CFUGToronto CFTALK ListSRV. > > This message has been posted by: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To Unsubscribe, Please Visit and Login to http://www.CFUGToronto.org/ > > Manager: Kevin Towes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.CFUGToronto.org/ > This System has been donated by Infopreneur, Inc. > (http://www.infopreneur.net) - You are subscribed to the CFUGToronto CFTALK ListSRV. 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