carlos forgot the link.

http://www.ictworks.org/news/2011/10/07/why-indias-35-aakash-android-tablet-edutech-red-herring-ict-deployments-education

On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 12:40, Carlos Rey <crey at ehas.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm following with a lot of interest your discussion and I just read this
> post at ICTWorks' website and thought it may be of interest for it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Carlos
>
> On 07/10/11 19:28, James Dailey wrote:
>
> Tapan's assessment rings true for me.
> I would also say that in my experience, Technology is both an amplifier and
> aspirational. ?Beyond mere amplification, an important distinction should be
> made between an amplification of current "ways of doing business" and
> dramatically new ways of doing business that are a result of a tipping point
> that the technology allows us to reach.
> Are ipods, itunes, and the digitalization of music strictly necessary for
> us? ? Does it make sense for our society to spend billions on that while
> there were perfectly good ways of listening to music? ? My take is that it
> is an irrelevant question - we live in such a world. ? We live in a world
> where people (given a choice) aspire to own the newest and greatest, and
> where ICT enables new modes of business/interaction/service delivery in the
> real world.
> The democratization of technology, the widest possible adoption, though,
> requires a price point and a set of features /form factors / experiential
> benefit that - on balance - are sufficient in their aspirational bounty and
> their tipping "pointiness".
> This new $35 device, with a touchpad, seems like a great move - and a huge
> opportunity. ?More moves in this direction would include a better battery,
> solar thin film on the reverse side for easy recharging in the tropics,
> hardened for outside field use (water proof against rain storms/ dust proof
> against the road), and lower price.
> The poor pay more for their services (water, power, information) than the
> rich on a per unit basis, and so shared access models and lower cost
> technologies that dramatically lower the barriers and increase the
> availability is a - on balance - a net positive.
> - James Dailey
> SEATTLE
>
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Tapan Parikh <tapan at cs.washington.edu>
> wrote:
>>
>> Ive never understood Kentaros point here, or at least why its delivered
>> with such pessimism.
>> Its strictly a glass half-full, half-empty kind of argument. ?Of course
>> technology does not achieve its effect in isolation. ?Of course you need all
>> the rest of the things Kentaro mentions. ?But an "amplifier of your intent"
>> still sounds pretty awesome to me. ?This is what Steve Jobs was trying to do
>> for us, and what we are trying (successfully or unsuccessfully) to achieve
>> for the poor and marginalized through ICT4D. ?Im not saying that computers
>> are the best or most appropriate technology, but the potential is there, and
>> that is why we are working to achieve it, and why it is still research.
>> I find Joyojeet's critique much more interesting. ?Are computers truly
>> amplifiers, or are they strictly aspirational? ?Said another way, is high
>> technology perceived as an end in and of itself, or do we understand its
>> true machinations*, and use them for some other higher purpose - the highest
>> being to learn, and through the process become better people, or a better
>> society. I am sure everyone who has worked in ICTD has directly observed
>> "gadget lust" in our partners, users, and without doubt, in ourselves.
>> Summarizing my point, the important question is "are u the one riding the
>> horse, or is the horse riding you?". ?The jury is still out on this for
>> ICT4D, as it is for the rest of the World, IMHO.
>>
>> *?For the philosophy and German buffs, see Heidegger's "The Question
>> Concerning Technology".
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Yaw Anokwa <yanokwa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> rahul,
>>>
>>> i would encourage you to check out
>>> http://www.kentarotoyama.org/research. i think his work on
>>> technology as an amplifier and the ten myths of ict4d will be quite
>>> insightful.
>>>
>>> yaw
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 18:16, Rahul Banerjee <banerjee at cs.washington.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Yes, I agree that this is simply another hardware platform on which
>>> > people can build stuff. It is a solution enabler, not a solution in
>>> > itself. However, this price point means that one can deploy solutions
>>> > for cheaper than with existing hardware.
>>> >
>>> > I think we all agree that *solutions* built on top of hardware
>>> > platforms change people's lives -- cheap hardware simply opens up such
>>> > possibilities to interested parties who want to build solutions, but
>>> > don't have enough money for expensive hardware.
>>> >
>>> > I would like to emphasize this point -- the best ideas can come from
>>> > anywhere. Once you let such a cheap device loose into the wild (so to
>>> > speak), I'm certain that several talented people will come up with
>>> > good ideas and implement them. What remains to be seen is how many of
>>> > those are useful and improve people's lives significantly.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Rahul
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Clint Tseng <cxlt at cs.washington.edu>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >> Yes, but your argument is centered around how the technology is
>>> >> better. I
>>> >> don't think I have to point out who we're echoing when we say that
>>> >> technology alone is not enough. We could make the Galaxy S2 or the
>>> >> iPhone 4
>>> >> cost $10 and it simply wouldn't make the kind of difference you'd hope
>>> >> for
>>> >> (eg, much at all).
>>> >> The App Store is not available because you have to pay Google
>>> >> licensing fees
>>> >> to put it on your device, which would have driven the cost up.
>>> >> Touchscreens are nice, but I don't think any of this will truly matter
>>> >> for
>>> >> the populations we're talking about until we see voice technology like
>>> >> Siri
>>> >> develop to the point where you don't need to care that you're talking
>>> >> to
>>> >> technology. At that point, perhaps it's worth revisiting the
>>> >> distribution of
>>> >> generic technology to remote regions and untrained users without
>>> >> caring
>>> >> about what their actual needs are. For now, it's still much better to
>>> >> actually do the footwork to figure out what people need and give them
>>> >> that
>>> >> than to try to hand out or sell general purpose computing devices and
>>> >> hope
>>> >> to make a difference.
>>> >> $0.02.
>>> >> -Clint
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thursday, October 6, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Rahul Banerjee wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Against a cell phone, the tablet's screen is a compelling argument.
>>> >>
>>> >> However, I don't know if really poor people (who are mostly
>>> >> illiterate) would go for a tablet over a *television* -- I've observed
>>> >> that even people living in illegally constructed shacks next to train
>>> >> tracks always have a DTH antenna dish sticking out from the roof. My
>>> >> belief is that:
>>> >> 1. TV's are dead simple to operate -- turn them on and they work. If
>>> >> you can't navigate your magical tablet's touchscreen, you have a
>>> >> magical paperweight.
>>> >> 2. There's decent infrastructure in place (in India) to get a
>>> >> direct-to-home subscription. I've been to some pretty remote places in
>>> >> India (places that are accessible only using off-road vehicles and are
>>> >> completely cut-off for three months during winter) and nearly all
>>> >> these houses had dish antennas. AFAIK, 3G-based data plans aren't that
>>> >> ubiquitous yet (you could only get them in certain cities in India
>>> >> last time I checked -- about 2 months ago).
>>> >>
>>> >> The battery question is an interesting one -- I read a review which
>>> >> stated that the battery life is two hours. I've observed in urban
>>> >> slums that (illegally) hooking up wires to overhead electricity supply
>>> >> cables (a dangerous practice, to be sure) is common. I'm not claiming
>>> >> that this is the norm everywhere, but financial pressure often
>>> >> eliminates batteries anyway :)
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm going to keep on harping on the "poor but intelligent/talented
>>> >> student" angle. These are the people who'll benefit the most from such
>>> >> a device. Imagine being able to read textbooks on this! Btw, I also
>>> >> discovered in the review that the App Store / Marketplace is disabled,
>>> >> which is *not cool*. Maybe they don't expect the target users to have
>>> >> connectivity, but this severely limits the platform. There are a ton
>>> >> of free apps out there which the users cannot get, and now custom
>>> >> delivery platforms will have to be built for every project (I'm
>>> >> thinking of textbooks, telemedicine, the fieldwork apps like the
>>> >> Verbal Autopsy stuff, etc)
>>> >>
>>> >> I've rambled enough here. My summary would be that this is a giant
>>> >> step forward, but the poorest of the poor (think indigent poverty)
>>> >> won't magically lift themselves out of poverty using this one device.
>>> >> However, it does generate lots of exciting possibilities for
>>> >> "slightly-better-off" segments and it can be an enabling device for
>>> >> several projects on a shoestring budget.
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Rahul
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Fritz Meissner
>>> >> <fritz.meissner at gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Just brainstorming a hypothetically compelling reason: consumption of
>>> >> locally-made movies, which I'm given to understand?currently happens
>>> >> wholesale on cellphones in India. Would the move to tablet form, i.e.
>>> >> bigger
>>> >> screen and (one would hope) better sound, make for a massively
>>> >> improved
>>> >> experience?
>>> >> The Aakash could be a better investment than a TV / DVD player, given
>>> >> the
>>> >> greater capacity and reusability of USB or SD cards compared to DVDs.
>>> >> Of
>>> >> course, the TV has a bigger screen, but it doesn't run on batteries.
>>> >> How
>>> >> much would a TV cost?
>>> >>
>>> >> Fritz
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jerome White <jerome at cs.caltech.edu>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> However, there is a "rural/poor" segment that could afford this: those
>>> >> making between 5 and 10 thousand Rupees a month. In fact it's what
>>> >> some
>>> >> spend on a mobile phone. However, with the mobile, there is very
>>> >> compelling
>>> >> reason to make such an investment. A similarly compelling reason, from
>>> >> their
>>> >> perspective, to own this device isn't clear to me.
>>> >>
>>> >> But, at least we've got another device to help us generate
>>> >> publications :)
>>> >>
>>> >> jerome
>>> >>
>>> >> On 06-Oct-2011, at 4:11 PM, Fritz Meissner wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> How much is $35 to the poorest of the poor? I recall an economics
>>> >> study
>>> >> that paid Indian workers the equivalent of a monthly salary, I think
>>> >> that
>>> >> was 50USD... 35USD is beyond cheap in the West but perhaps still not
>>> >> affordable in that context.
>>> >>
>>> >> OTOH if the tablet is locally made, perhaps just the work that the
>>> >> manufacturer provides will be beneficial.
>>> >>
>>> >> Fritz
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Joyojeet Pal <joyojeet at gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> I agree with Yaw on this -- sure, it is great that this technology is
>>> >> so
>>> >> cheap, and one can argue that similar such efforts have brought up new
>>> >> technology innovations (Netbook etc) and various other benefits, what
>>> >> is
>>> >> deeply problematic is the idea that this will solve the issues of
>>> >> development in India, and Indian minister Kapil Sibal's announcing the
>>> >> project as being some kind of a dig out of exclusion
>>> >>
>>> >> (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/india-announces-35-tablet-computer-to-help-lift-villagers-out-of-poverty/2011/10/05/gIQAPT8PNL_story.html)
>>> >>
>>> >> If you look at UNDP's latest HDI report on India, you may find that
>>> >> someone should find this claim at least quixotic, given that the
>>> >> country
>>> >> ranks 119th in the world for what ranks are worth. India as a state
>>> >> spends
>>> >> among the lowest on education (3.6%) and healthcare (1.1%) and has an
>>> >> income
>>> >> inequality problem that is by all measure growing yearly, gender
>>> >> inequity is
>>> >> 0.748 (on a scale of the 'best' at 0.212 and 'worst' at 0.814). the
>>> >> average
>>> >> Indian spends 4.4 years in formal schooling.. the list goes on and on.
>>> >>
>>> >> i'm not saying this is not a significant achievement, my concern is
>>> >> tying this to development in such a way, in fact specifically in the
>>> >> perception that this could be the state's part in providing
>>> >> development in
>>> >> india. i think it hurts the cause of folks working in this space at
>>> >> the very
>>> >> least.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Yaw Anokwa <yanokwa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> the hype around this tablet is terrible.
>>> >>
>>> >> i think it's great to have cheaper technology, but android tablets,
>>> >> even cheap $35 android tablets, will not lift villagers out of
>>> >> poverty. i wish it were that easy...
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 15:49, Rahul Banerjee
>>> >> <banerjee at cs.washington.edu> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Sorry for the spam, but I couldn't resist sharing such wonderful news:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.seattlepi.com/business/article/India-announces-35-tablet-computer-for-rural-poor-2203509.php
>>> >>
>>> >> (Actually, the government is subsidising its price (which would be
>>> >> closer to $50), but it's still pretty amazing that something like this
>>> >> exists at all)
>>> >>
>>> >> --
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