Well, to be picky about it (and I did not state my case very well before). > The tricky part is that to be truly useful the adverb changes > its action depending on what part of speech it is modifying > and how many arguments the resulting entity is processing.
- Adverbs are not tricky. - Even if you consider them tricky, I doubt that it is the fact that some adverbs can modify nouns that makes them tricky. - If the number of arguments makes them tricky, then it is the idea that the same verb can have a monadic and a dyadic case that is tricky, not adverbs. ----- Original Message ----- From: bob therriault <[email protected]> Date: Monday, November 22, 2010 11:14 Subject: Re: [Jchat] A visual look at the Reflexive Adverb To: Chat forum <[email protected]> > Wheww, > > I thought I was really missing some fundamental point on that > one! Of course, adverbs are usually used to modify verbs rather > than nouns. > > Further, could you clarify the your understanding of 'u/~' for > me? I tend to look at it as a) adverb '~' modifying adverb '/' > which modifies verb 'u', but perhaps I should look at it as b) > adverb '/' modifying the verb 'u' which produces a verb modified > by adverb '~'. I had thought that the Hook/Adverb rule of the > parser indicated a), but looking closer I think that b) may be > correct. > > In the situation that we drop the verb 'u', we would get '/~' > which would be adverb '~' modifying adverb '/', although I am > not sure that most create adverbs this way (so the predominant > of adverb modifying verb would still stand). > > Thanks for taking the time to walk me through my muddling. > > Cheers, bob > > On 2010-11-22, at 10:49 AM, Roger Hui wrote: > > > Yes, you got me there for m~ . But by far the majority > > of adverbs modify verbs (or gerunds, those verb like nouns), > > and I myself would not get into the few cases (and gerunds) > > with beginners. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: bob therriault <[email protected]> > > Date: Monday, November 22, 2010 10:33 > > Subject: Re: [Jchat] A visual look at the Reflexive Adverb > > To: Chat forum <[email protected]> > > > >> Hi Roger, > >> > >> I am a bit confused (not the first time :) ) In the case of > >> Evoke (m~), I thought m was a noun. I think I may be > >> misunderstanding this on a conceptual level, as I don't see > how > >> Evoke modifies a verb. With regard to the use of 'tricky', I > >> would completely agree that this is a subjective view, and > >> probably shouldn't be used when introducing concepts. > >> > >> Cheers, bob > >> > >> On 2010-11-22, at 9:47 AM, Roger Hui wrote: > >> > >>> I have not viewed the videos. I have read the text > >>> of the first link and there is a factual error: > >>> > >>> The tricky part is that to be truly useful > the > >> adverb > >>> changes its action depending on what part > of > >> speech > >>> it is modifying ... > >>> > >>> This is incorrect because an adverb always modifies a verb, > >>> just like its most common use in English. > >>> > >>> I would also argue with your assertion that adverbs are > >>> tricky, but that's a matter of opinion. "Everyone" > >>> understands run quickly, eat quickly, talk quickly, > etc. > >>> For the mathematically inclined you can also mention > >>> "function family". > >>> > >>> What _is_ tricky is the alternative model/explanation > >>> that adverbs replace. There you have to offer a > tortured > >>> and intimidating explanation of function vs. operator, > >>> Heaviside operator, tensor analysis, etc. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: bob therriault <[email protected]> > >>> Date: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:33 > >>> Subject: [Jchat] A visual look at the Reflexive Adverb > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> > >>>> Greetings, > >>>> > >>>> I've posted two screencasts on the use of adverbs in J. > >>>> > >>>> The first is a look at J adverbs in general using ~ as an > >>>> example [1] and the second is a more specific look at the > >>>> Reflexive Adverb [2]. I look forward to feedback. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, bob > >>>> > >>>> [1] http://bobtherriault.wordpress.com/2010/11/17/those- > >> tricky- > >>>> adverbs/[2] > >>>> http://bobtherriault.wordpress.com/2010/11/22/reflexive- > >> adverb- > >>>> monadic/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
