Its not destructive to say that the branding of a particular GOOD product is culturally insensitive. If all you care about is the code, and how the product works, then why is this such a big issue that can not be reflected on? Instead of silencing the issue, we should review it and see if there is anything we can do to make a win-win. Its easy to move on and ignore such things, but there is now a pattern of web-server products using this kind of consciousness. Its constructive to point out that perhaps you, and perhaps the people involved in the project have not fully considered the implications of their actions. Or rather, you do not choose to look at them because you do not value the perspective that it could be considered offensive to someone. Being sensitive to how other people think/feel means forgoing your own logical ability for a moment, and understanding their place. Obviously the product does not make any reference to the cultural heritage of the Cherokee people. Then, logically, there is no need to represent the people by using their name or a caricature of their people? If you ignore this logic, then there might be a flaw in the whole concept of using "logic" to streamroll through these issues.
Sincerely, Zachary Krebs Voice:(541) 708-1163 Skype: ZacharyKrebs On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Max Countryman <[email protected]> wrote: > I would strongly suggest you concentrate your efforts on constructive > rather than destructive activities. > > Had the Cherokee Webserver Project made claims about the cultural identity > of the Cherokee People I think you would have some ground to stand on. But > they don't, never have, and most likely never will. You're trying to create > an issue where there isn't one, choosing to take offense to something in > illogical way by using logical fallacies and misleading rationalizations. > > Finally you want to appeal to the community to experience how you feel, to > consider your emotional response. I'm sorry to say: only you can make the > choice to react to something, you have only yourself to hold accountable, no > one else. > > > On Oct 8, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Zachary Krebs wrote: > > I can see that there is very little receptivity around this topic. That is > fine. I would suggest that instead of using your brain like a hammer to > approach every issue, consider how this might* feel *to someone. As we > have also learned, the mind is not the only source of intelligence. Looking > at things with open perceptive lenses, we can see faults and correct them, > without defending our actions. Its easy to twist logic to support something, > but its harder to understand and trust others. > Sincerely, > > Zachary Krebs > > Voice:(541) 708-1163 > Skype: ZacharyKrebs > > > > > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Max Countryman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I think your accusations are a bit of a red herring: As we have well >> learned by now, a symbol is not the object it represents. However you're >> attempting to assert the representation is the object and is therefore >> objectionable, this is a logical fallacy. >> >> If you care about the history of native peoples, spend your time and >> energy enriching that culture rather than detracting from relatively >> unrelated software projects which neither detract from nor otherwise frame >> native ethnography. >> >> On Oct 8, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Zachary Krebs wrote: >> >> Please consider removing it or changing it. For some context, there is a >> huge dispute in N. America about people using Native American >> symbols/logos/caricatures in popular culture to demean or otherwise >> insinuate that indigenous people are fast, quirky, half-witted, lesser-than, >> etc. The entire idea of naming web servers after Native People (for no >> reason) and then having logos from their cultural background makes little >> sense. Perhaps you could consider redesigning your logo to use something >> other than a caricature of a person? Also posted this to the Hiawatha forum, >> which has a similar issue. >> >> http://www.hiawatha-webserver.org/forum/topic/686 >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Zachary Krebs >> >> Voice:(541) 708-1163 >> Skype: ZacharyKrebs >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cherokee mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cherokee mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Cherokee mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee > >
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