Sorry, you can't ask us to 'forgo logic' for you. It's also not a method by which you can dismiss what has already been said here apropos the contentions you've made; you can't ignore our points and then move to claim we're silencing the issue. On the contrary, multiple threads of discussion have already been generated, it would seem you simply aren't happy with the outcome with the discussion.
You said it yourself, the web server makes no assumptions of the Cherokee People, their heritage, or their culture. However, again, you try to equate a software logo with the Cherokee People, as if the logo is the People. This is simply wrong, as I have already pointed out. Consider that by choosing to react, you're in effect taking on a reactionary point of view. I find such perspectives very distressing! Further you have gone out of your way to attempt to create an issue and effect a community unrelated to the issues that concern you, in other words you're trying to force your point of view onto others that would otherwise have no explicit association with you. All too often this leads to destructive, rather than constructive, discourse. Your energy could be spent in other ways that would probably effect far greater satisfaction in regards to your goals. A symbol is nothing more than what you make of it, and you will make of it what you will. On Oct 8, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Zachary Krebs wrote: > Its not destructive to say that the branding of a particular GOOD product is > culturally insensitive. If all you care about is the code, and how the > product works, then why is this such a big issue that can not be reflected > on? Instead of silencing the issue, we should review it and see if there is > anything we can do to make a win-win. Its easy to move on and ignore such > things, but there is now a pattern of web-server products using this kind of > consciousness. Its constructive to point out that perhaps you, and perhaps > the people involved in the project have not fully considered the implications > of their actions. Or rather, you do not choose to look at them because you do > not value the perspective that it could be considered offensive to someone. > Being sensitive to how other people think/feel means forgoing your own > logical ability for a moment, and understanding their place. Obviously the > product does not make any reference to the cultural heritage of the Cherokee > people. Then, logically, there is no need to represent the people by using > their name or a caricature of their people? If you ignore this logic, then > there might be a flaw in the whole concept of using "logic" to streamroll > through these issues. > > Sincerely, > > Zachary Krebs > > Voice:(541) 708-1163 > Skype: ZacharyKrebs > > > > > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Max Countryman <[email protected]> wrote: > I would strongly suggest you concentrate your efforts on constructive rather > than destructive activities. > > Had the Cherokee Webserver Project made claims about the cultural identity of > the Cherokee People I think you would have some ground to stand on. But they > don't, never have, and most likely never will. You're trying to create an > issue where there isn't one, choosing to take offense to something in > illogical way by using logical fallacies and misleading rationalizations. > > Finally you want to appeal to the community to experience how you feel, to > consider your emotional response. I'm sorry to say: only you can make the > choice to react to something, you have only yourself to hold accountable, no > one else. > > > On Oct 8, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Zachary Krebs wrote: > >> I can see that there is very little receptivity around this topic. That is >> fine. I would suggest that instead of using your brain like a hammer to >> approach every issue, consider how this might feel to someone. As we have >> also learned, the mind is not the only source of intelligence. Looking at >> things with open perceptive lenses, we can see faults and correct them, >> without defending our actions. Its easy to twist logic to support something, >> but its harder to understand and trust others. >> Sincerely, >> >> Zachary Krebs >> >> Voice:(541) 708-1163 >> Skype: ZacharyKrebs >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Max Countryman <[email protected]> wrote: >> I think your accusations are a bit of a red herring: As we have well learned >> by now, a symbol is not the object it represents. However you're attempting >> to assert the representation is the object and is therefore objectionable, >> this is a logical fallacy. >> >> If you care about the history of native peoples, spend your time and energy >> enriching that culture rather than detracting from relatively unrelated >> software projects which neither detract from nor otherwise frame native >> ethnography. >> >> On Oct 8, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Zachary Krebs wrote: >> >>> Please consider removing it or changing it. For some context, there is a >>> huge dispute in N. America about people using Native American >>> symbols/logos/caricatures in popular culture to demean or otherwise >>> insinuate that indigenous people are fast, quirky, half-witted, >>> lesser-than, etc. The entire idea of naming web servers after Native People >>> (for no reason) and then having logos from their cultural background makes >>> little sense. Perhaps you could consider redesigning your logo to use >>> something other than a caricature of a person? Also posted this to the >>> Hiawatha forum, which has a similar issue. >>> >>> http://www.hiawatha-webserver.org/forum/topic/686 >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Zachary Krebs >>> >>> Voice:(541) 708-1163 >>> Skype: ZacharyKrebs >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Cherokee mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cherokee mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Cherokee mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.octality.com/listinfo/cherokee > >
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