Enough of this offtopic spam. You cant do better things but flood a
technical mailing list this foolish thing? Man.. this is awful!
2010.10.08. 19:39 keltezéssel, Zachary Krebs írta:
Its not destructive to say that the branding of a particular GOOD
product is culturally insensitive. If all you care about is the code,
and how the product works, then why is this such a big issue that can
not be reflected on? Instead of silencing the issue, we should review
it and see if there is anything we can do to make a win-win. Its easy
to move on and ignore such things, but there is now a pattern of
web-server products using this kind of consciousness. Its constructive
to point out that perhaps you, and perhaps the people involved in the
project have not fully considered the implications of their actions.
Or rather, you do not choose to look at them because you do not value
the perspective that it could be considered offensive to someone.
Being sensitive to how other people think/feel means forgoing your own
logical ability for a moment, and understanding their place. Obviously
the product does not make any reference to the cultural heritage of
the Cherokee people. Then, logically, there is no need to represent
the people by using their name or a caricature of their people? If you
ignore this logic, then there might be a flaw in the whole concept of
using "logic" to streamroll through these issues.
Sincerely,
Zachary Krebs
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Skype: ZacharyKrebs
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Max Countryman <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I would strongly suggest you concentrate your efforts on
constructive rather than destructive activities.
Had the Cherokee Webserver Project made claims about the cultural
identity of the Cherokee People I think you would have some ground
to stand on. But they don't, never have, and most likely never
will. You're trying to create an issue where there isn't one,
choosing to take offense to something in illogical way by using
logical fallacies and misleading rationalizations.
Finally you want to appeal to the community to experience how you
feel, to consider your emotional response. I'm sorry to say: only
you can make the choice to react to something, you have only
yourself to hold accountable, no one else.
On Oct 8, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Zachary Krebs wrote:
I can see that there is very little receptivity around this
topic. That is fine. I would suggest that instead of using your
brain like a hammer to approach every issue, consider how this
might/ feel /to someone. As we have also learned, the mind is not
the only source of intelligence. Looking at things with open
perceptive lenses, we can see faults and correct them, without
defending our actions. Its easy to twist logic to support
something, but its harder to understand and trust others.
Sincerely,
Zachary Krebs
Voice:(541) 708-1163
Skype: ZacharyKrebs
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Max Countryman <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I think your accusations are a bit of a red herring: As we
have well learned by now, a symbol is not the object it
represents. However you're attempting to assert the
representation is the object and is therefore objectionable,
this is a logical fallacy.
If you care about the history of native peoples, spend your
time and energy enriching that culture rather than detracting
from relatively unrelated software projects which neither
detract from nor otherwise frame native ethnography.
On Oct 8, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Zachary Krebs wrote:
Please consider removing it or changing it. For some
context, there is a huge dispute in N. America about people
using Native American symbols/logos/caricatures in popular
culture to demean or otherwise insinuate that indigenous
people are fast, quirky, half-witted, lesser-than, etc. The
entire idea of naming web servers after Native People (for
no reason) and then having logos from their cultural
background makes little sense. Perhaps you could consider
redesigning your logo to use something other than
a caricature of a person? Also posted this to the Hiawatha
forum, which has a similar issue.
http://www.hiawatha-webserver.org/forum/topic/686
Sincerely,
Zachary Krebs
Voice:(541) 708-1163
Skype: ZacharyKrebs
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