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The GM Chassis service manual I have calls for no more than 1/2" of shim
pack. I believe that it goes into the whys and wherefors, but I don't
have the book available.
rick
On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:27:36 -0700 "Rodney." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>He gets good alignment as in he's not gonna crash and he goes fairly
>straight, or he gets good alignment and the correct geometry for the
>negative roll system?
>
>Just so you know, as I'm sure you've probably already guessed, GW
>doesn't
>recommend using the stock arms since it would take so many shims to
>make a
>correct alignment. Question for any alignment specialists out there:
>Are
>there any disadvantages or safety issues of using over a certain
>number of
>shims? Do they flex or anything when you get that many shims in a
>stack
>like that? Just curious... I already have the tubular arms, so it's
>not
>like I'm gonna send 'em back :)
>
>Rodney.
>71 Chevelle
>Phoenix, AZ
>
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>From: "jerry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 4:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Global west conversion -Long
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>> Rick, were you following the thread on TC where (cant remember his
>name)
>did the 12 inch conversion without
>> using the GW arms? His setup supposedly aligned OK, even with out
>them.
>> I like that idea, (-$$$)so I have been collecting parts to try it
>out. I
>just cant seem to find a part # for the moog
>> offset shaft.
>>
>> jerry
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>>
>> 8/27/01 7:27:08 PM, rick schaefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> >rodney
>> > No I didn't use their springs. Mine were replaced the first
>time I
>> >rebuilt the front end, I will ask my alignment guy if the springs
>will
>> >make a difference. I should probably also call GW and ask an
>opinion.
>> >Your theory makes sense.
>> >rick
>> >
>> >On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:07:46 -0700 "Rodney." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> >>Hey Rick,
>> >>
>> >>I'm just curious if you used their front springs with the
>conversion?
>> >>I'm>assuming you didn't because I think their springs lower the
>car
>> >>another inch>for a 2" total drop. I was wondering if this may
>have
>> >something to do >with>not being able to achieve their alignment
>specs?
>> >When did the
>> >>conversion on>mine, I didn't use their springs (I had just bought
>new
>> >springs 6
>> >>months>before), and I couldn't get their alignment specs either.
>The
>> >shop I
>> >>had>mine at didn't mention a sagging frame or anything though.
>> >>
>> >>Anyways, I was just curious if you or anyone else knew if this
>would
>> >>be a>contributing factor?
>> >>
>> >>Rodney.
>> >>71 Chevelle
>> >>Phoenix, AZ
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:16 PM
>> >>Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Global west conversion -Long
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>> >>> My conversion/rebuild is finished (??-more on that later).
>To
>> >>> update- , I installed Global West upper control arms with tall
>> >>spindles &
>> >>> 12" brake rotors on my 1972 el camino. It took quite a bit
>longer
>> >>to
>> >>> finish than I expected, but what doesn't. I am very happy
>with
>> >>the
>> >>> results.
>> >>> I haven't had a chance to really wiring it out, but in
>general
>> >>> handling is much better. I can easily go 60 mph thru a curve
>that
>> >>was
>> >>> white knuckle time at 50mph before. (Maybe the worn front end
>parts
>> >>had
>> >>> something to do with this.) And the car remains flat thru the
>turn.
>> >>> It goes where pointed and stops much better than the stock
>discs.
>> >>>
>> >>> The spindles dropped the front end 1" on each side (I
>measured b4
>> >>&
>> >>> after). Also the wheel/tire is about 3/8 of an inch (measured
>with
>> >>> wheels straight ahead) closer to the fender than before. I have
>> >>lost a
>> >>> little in turning radius. With a Monte Carlo SS box, the
>diameter
>> >>of
>> >>> the tightest circle I can make is ABOUT 37 feet ( for some
>strange
>> >>reason
>> >>> it is a bit tighter going to the left than to the right) .
>Before,
>> >>the
>> >>> diameter was about 36 feet. Not much, but I can definitly
>tell
>> >>the
>> >>> difference when turning into a tight spot.
>> >>>
>> >>> Special tools - Tie rod & ball joint pullers- I couldn't make
>> >>pickle
>> >>> forks work for me & the pullers were cheap (harbor freight $5.00
>> >>each),
>> >>> INNER spring compressor - I didn't need it for disassembly but
>had
>> >>to
>> >>> have it for reassembly (harbor freight $14.00) 27mm socket for
>the
>> >>> spindle nut. Air tools are sooooo much nicer during
>disassembly.
>> >>>
>> >>> Time - Disassembly was about 3.5 hours.
>> >>> Reassembly was about 14 hours.
>> >>> I only worked on it 1-2 hours per day. Includes doing several
>> >>things
>> >>> over, and working for an hour or 2 (TRYING to reinstall springs)
>> >>and NOT
>> >>> really accomplishing a thing. Does not include chassis
>degreasing
>> >>&
>> >>> paint of new parts or installlation of bushings & ball joints.
>> >>>
>> >>> Parts - I used spindles from an 86 Caprice Estate wagon,
>calipers &
>> >>> hoses from an 80 Camaro. Stock 72 calipers WILL bolt up to the
>> >>spindles
>> >>> & probably would work. Stock hoses are too short.They need to
>be
>> >>about 1
>> >>> 1/2 inch longer. I could not make a full (stop to stop) turn
>with
>> >>the
>> >>> stock hoses. The camaro hoses are the right length, BUT do not
>lock
>> >>into
>> >>> the 72 frame brackets correctly. The 72 bracket is too thick.
>I
>> >>looked
>> >>> at many different hoses, but could not find any that had the
>correct
>> >>> length & would clip into the bracket. Next trip to the
>wrecking
>> >>yard
>> >>> I'll retrieve some thinner brackets.
>> >>>
>> >>> THE BAD NEWS - My frame is sagging. The alignment shop
>could
>> >>not
>> >>> get the car into specs recommended by Global West. The best
>they
>> >>could
>> >>> do on camber is -1 degree on each side. It still runs OK, but
>I
>> >>will
>> >>> have tire wear problems until I get the frame pushed out
>(Anyone
>> >>know
>> >>> what that costs?) . The frame will have to wait, as its gonna
>take
>> >>me a
>> >>> while to pay off the rebuild parts.
>> >>> I was aware that some frames sag but thought that my
>120,000
>> >>mile
>> >>> never really molested/wrecked elky would be immune. Wrong!
>My
>> >>nickels
>> >>> worth, if you are gonna invest in a costly long term
>restoration,
>> >>get
>> >>> the frame checked early. Just think of it as another long term
>> >>> investment.
>> >>> If anyone has questions, fire away.
>> >>>
>> >>> Last thing - I definitly do NOT like the downhil look. I
>need
>> >>to
>> >>> drop the back end about an inch. Does anyone have suggestions
>on
>> >>> springs? I'd prefer MOOG or TRW but let me know what works.
>> >>>
>> >>> rick (Abilene Texas)
>> >>> 72 El Camino TPI 350/700r4
>> >>> ACES #00140 TEAM CHEVELLE #00038
>> >>> http://members.home.net/jimmy4/rick1972elky.html
>> >>> http://chevelles.com/showroom/ricks%20motor%20-L
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