Simple answer...I wanted another stud because I AM a Breeder...kinda
hard
to breed with out a guy, in case you didn't know. However, you may
be
tickled to death to know that I DID invest in another male, for
Ginger's
sake, but will NOT be breeding him because he is NOT suitable for
my
breeding purposes, but I WILL be getting another male for
breeding
purposes when I can afford it and the reaosn I can not afford it
right now
is because I DON'T breed for money...if I did, I could be
rich.
There is no breeder in which you agree with their breeding. You
are
completely anti breeding, yet you have no problem with having
chis....do
you think your chis dropped out of the thin air??? Either they
came from a
byb (even if, and especially if a pound rescue) or else they
were
purchased from a breeder who intentionally breeds.
Know what
Nonnie, I have had this argument with you for too long, you
don't have a
clue who I am or what I am about. I take great pride in my
chis and if you
disagree, so what, screw you. I have tried to ignore your
little comments,
I have tried to play nice, I even left the group
temporarily at one point
to keep from saying something to you. I am not
playing your games any more.
You are a jerk and i am sure you feel the
same about me. I will not reply
to your smart elic remarks any more, but I
am not gonna turn my back on a
group I enjoy because You choose to make
people misserable. If you have
something to say about me, tell it to
whomever you want OFF POST....if
anyone wants to hear my version or verify
anything you tell them, they can
ask me OFF POST, but it is time to stop
subjecting the rest of the group to
this.
Marsha
> Very few BYB's ever consider themselves BYB's.
Especially when they cry
> they have no money, can't afford another
breeding male, yet want to
> breed puppies.... hmm Marsha... why do you
need another male. Its not a
> dog you have been endeared to just one
you want to use as a stud .... is
> it just to raise puppies and
increase some income?????
>
>
>
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> Behalf Of Marsha Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006
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>
No doubt this topic may lead to much discussion and controversy since
>
their are many different oppinions....but.....
> While there are
many issues that differentiate between legit breeders
> and BYB, I think
with your horses, you understand the MAIN issue. A byb
> breeds for no
reason other than dollar signs. Once the money ceases to
> come in from
the breeding, they are off to other ventures. A legit
> breeder actually
cares about the animal they are breeding. Just as your
> horses were
bred because you loved the traits and personality of the
> specific
horse you were breeding. A lot like people reproduce.....we can
>
all just go out and adopt (as I did) or we can produce a child with a
>
person whom we have fallen in love with because we want an extension
of
> ourselves and that person.
>
> Can mistakes and bad
outcomes happen with a legit breeder?? Absolutely!
> The question is, do
we do everything we can to prevent the bad and
> create the best? Do we
sacrifice all to assure the best possible? Yes.
>
> If you have
been happy with your horse, have done all the neccessary
> ground work
to assure health, ect., have taken responsibility for the
> offspring,
rather that be keeping them or finding them the best possible
> homes,
then it really doesn't matter if some people choose to think you
> are a
byb. You answer only to yourself, God and the animals you produce.
> I
am not a horse person, so I don't understand a lot of what you said,
>
but sounds to me as if you had your head on straight when you choose
to
> breed your horse.
>
> As for Drake, what difference
does it make at this point if his breeder
> was or was not a byb? Yes,
we should try to avoid buying from byb's in
> order to discourage the
continuation, but now that you have him, all
> that matters is what you
do in the future.
>
> Marsha
>
>> I really hate the
term backyard breeder. It gets very confusing to me
>> what that
means. I am assuming a lot that goes on with horses
>> breeding also
applies to dogs. I do know dog breeders that surgically
>> correct
defects to show there dogs. I am also a horse breeder of
>> halter
horses so I do know what you are saying about HYPP in the
>> quarter
horses. I raise Paints and APHA is doing nothing about the
>> HYPP
issue. I have never felt they should be allowed to be shown. To
>>
lose a class to a genetic defect, pisses me off. I don't own any
HYPP
>> horses. I have owned one gelding with HYPP about 18 years
ago. He was
>> symptomatic. It was very sad to me. My friends all
have HYPP horses
>> and even would breed H/H horses to win. HYPP is
not common in
>> backyard breeders as it is in the bigger well known
breeders. They
>> just insure the horses and collect when they die
just to buy more
>> horses with HYPP. The sad part is many horses
that they purposely
>> breed to get the gene of greatness (HYPP) is
they are not all show
>> quality. Then they are useless as a riding
horse. Dangerous in my
>> opinion. I have never bought a horse from a
big named halter breeder.
>> I am not sure I ever would. There is
just to much that I know they do
>> to the horses to win. If backyard
breeders are just doing it for the
>> money then big time breeders
are doing it for even more money. I
>> think there is many good
horses sitting in someone's backyard that
>> will never be shown
because they just are not into showing, the
>> politics or they just
don't know what they have. Only a small
>> percentage of all horses
are shown. Not so much that they are not show
>> quality. I have also
seen so horses in the top ten stallions that
>> never should be
there. They are there only because the owners have
>> money and can
hirer the right trainer and take them to enough shows. I
>> have
always trained and shown my own horses. I have done good and I
>>
have done bad. I don't know if I am being judged or the horse.
There
>> is just to much politics in a halter class. So in many ways
show
>> records do not mean much to me. I do have show records on
most of my
>> horses. My best mare does not have a show record. She
does not even
>> look like much. She is Wimpy's great granddaughter.
She is very
>> foundation looking. Not like the modern halter horse
at all. She
>> produces the most gorgeous foals. If I was not a
backyard breeder 20
>> years ago I might not never known that I had a
great mare. She was in
>> heat. I loved her great mind and wanted a
baby from her. She was just
>> my kids horse that I paid $200 for. I
rode her down to a breeding farm
>> that had a nice Paint Stallion I
thought would cross good on her. He
>> also did not have to much of a
show career do to injury, but his
>> babies where doing good at the
shows. My foal was one of his best
>> ever. That let me know what I
had if I breed her to the right
>> stallion. I continued to breed her
to different stallions and learned
>> to show them. I have never
shown out of CA but we have several State
>> Champions out of her and
her foals. I have now raised 6 generation of
>> foals. Some people
might call me a backyard breeder because I don't
>> have a big name
and I do breed to my own stallions now after many
>> years of
breeding to world champions. I will say my stallions foals
>> are
twice the quality I ever got from paying thousands of dollars on
>>
stud fees. Sometimes I would like to take the credit for the quality
I
>> get. I think breeding is an art. You also have to have an eye
for it.
>> In someway I was lucky. I had a mare that was a producer.
She passed
>> this on to her foals.
>>
>> Back to
dogs. I do know the breeder of Drake did produce a dog with a
>>
great personality and temperament. She did give him a full series
of
>> vaccines and raised him to be 4 months old before she sold him.
He was
>> in good health and pretty good manners. I never met the
breeder. I did
>> meet the older daughters who sold him at the
grocery store.
>>
>>
>> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ups.com,
> "Nonnie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]..>
wrote:
>>>
>>> anyone can create any registry and it
doesn't matter. its the
>> quality of
>>> the dog and its
background that is important. I could care less
>>
what
>>> registry if any a dog is with. Most shouldn't be
registered as
>> quality
>>> anyways. I think a dog
should have to pass genetic testing and
>> physical
>>>
traits before it could be registered. That would eliminate alot of
>>
the
>>> backyard breeders who are breeding for money. PEOPLE think
because
>> a dog is
>>> registered anything its something
special.... its NOT!! Its a piece
>> of paper
>>> that's
all.
>>>
>>> At least the AQHA American Quarter Horse
is doing something. As of
>> 2007
>>> they will no longer
register HYPP postive horses which means you
>> darn
well
>>> better test the parents before you breed if you expect ot
have a
>> registered
>>> quarter
horse.
>>>
>>> Nonnie
>>>
>>>
PS Back yard breeders never identify themselves as BYB - and puppy
>>
millers
>>> never admit to being a puppy mill. They all say they
are trying to
>> improve
>>> the breed. A lot of people
who breed don't have a pot to piss in
>>> financially and keep
saying that they can't afford this or that but
>> they
are
>>> still breeding puppies... makes you know why ... its
because they
>> sell them
>>> and make money inspite of
what they say.
>>>
>>> I call a spade a
spade
>>>
>>>
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>>> >
whether
>>> CKC is good or bad depends on who you are talking to,
lol. I prefer
>> the
>>> AKC, but am considering dual
registering my AKC's because it seems
>> most
>>> people
are wanting
>>> CKC these days.
>>>
>>> So
maybe your baby didn't come from the best of places. My first
chi
>>> didn't either. I was in 8th grade, and he came from a
puppy mill. I
>> didn't
>>> know then what I know now.
Nonetheless, he gave me 16 wonderful
>> years and
>>> I
wouldn't have taken anything for him. Now that you have your
baby,
>>> forget what his past was and focus on the wonderful
future you have
>> with
>>> him!
>>>
:-)
>>>
>>> My chis love to play with my bigger dogs.
In fact, I have a
>> Husky/wolf mix
>>> that they adore!
Like you, I never leave them unattended...why take
>>>
chances, they can be accidently harmed....but at the same time, I
>>
don't
>>> worry a bit when the chis are outside playing with the
big dogs.
>> The only
>>> thing I worry about is Ginger
trying to take Barley out of the
>> yard...they
>>> both
know better!! lol. She is one that don't mind anything and
>> loves
to
>>> get the others in trouble,
lol.
>>>
>>>
Marsha
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