I believe you are taking this to a different level, i thought this
was
a group for chihuahua lovers, I dont believe you love anyone but
yourself,
you need to get off of peoples backs and if you cant say
anything good or
in a nicer way dont say anything at all, i signed up
here becuase i love
my chihuahuas, if it where not for breeders i
would not have my babies, so
she is a breeder who gives a rats ass,
as long as she takes care of them
and makes sure they go to good
homes what should you have to say about
that, so leave her alone and
drop it, and i dont see why you keep bringing
up her past, that is
why it is called the PAST leave it
there.................................................................
.........
no simply speaking my opinion!!! You always claim to be poor marsha,
as
> in no money, no funds, broke blah blah as well as deaf and the
part
> about being deaf is a non-issue!. BUT you also say you are an
attorney?
> Well think on this a poor (as in no money) attorney is a
poor (in
> quality and people skills, as in a lousy attorney). You can
travel
to
> washington DC to be sworn in ... sworn in as what......
be
specific...be
> a member (perhaps) of state bar association but
not your local bar
> association, have a kid (whether real, step or you
are the current
home
> for kid of a deadbeat kid's mother) who you
so causally say is
in "juvy"
> as (to those of us layman juvenile
deliqency program or JAIL) like
its
> no big deal, who killed your
"breeding male" Just remember you can
fool
> some of the people all
of the time, some of the people some of the
time
> and there are
people like me who YOU can't fool at all.
>
> And you know what
the person who has the most problem with
something is
> the one who
is usually guilty of what they are being accused of.
>
> I call a
spade a spade. My 2 dogs , one is neutered and the other is
> spayed. I
have raised nor plan to have ZERO litters of puppies. I
> don't care how
broke I am I would not breed dogs for the money or
even
> to have an
egocentric idea I could improve the breed which most
people
> don't
care about unless they are showing dogs and want their name on
> some
big fancy cup. Therefore where does that leave you. You are not
>
showing etc. you are simply trying to perhaps earn some money and
make
> a living not for the love of the animal, blah blah blah I'm
not a
byb,
> can never be accused of being one. In fact, both my
dogs are
rescues.
> If I presented my views and you presented yours
to a neutral jury I
bet
> you I know who'd win.
>
>
Nonnie
>
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com,
"Nonnie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]..> wrote:
>
> marsha many months
ago I did reply to you privately and YOU posted
it to the
> group!!
If you are a lawyer you should not be poor except unless
you are
>
not a good lawyer.
>
>
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com]
On
> Behalf Of Marsha Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 3:00
PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
>
Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a Newbie
>
>
>
> Simple answer...I wanted another stud because I AM a
Breeder...kinda hard
> to breed with out a guy, in case you didn't
know. However, you may
be
> tickled to death to know that I DID
invest in another male, for
Ginger's
> sake, but will NOT be
breeding him because he is NOT suitable for my
> breeding purposes, but
I WILL be getting another male for breeding
> purposes when I can afford
it and the reaosn I can not afford it
right now
> is because I DON'T
breed for money...if I did, I could be rich.
>
> There is no
breeder in which you agree with their breeding. You are
> completely
anti breeding, yet you have no problem with having
chis....do
> you
think your chis dropped out of the thin air??? Either they came
from
a
> byb (even if, and especially if a pound rescue) or else they
were
> purchased from a breeder who intentionally breeds.
>
> Know what Nonnie, I have had this argument with you for too long,
you
> don't have a clue who I am or what I am about. I take great
pride
in my
> chis and if you disagree, so what, screw you. I have
tried to
ignore your
> little comments, I have tried to play nice, I
even left the group
> temporarily at one point to keep from saying
something to you. I am
not
> playing your games any more. You are a
jerk and i am sure you feel
the
> same about me. I will not reply to
your smart elic remarks any
more, but I
> am not gonna turn my back
on a group I enjoy because You choose to
make
> people misserable.
If you have something to say about me, tell it to
> whomever you want
OFF POST....if anyone wants to hear my version or
verify
> anything
you tell them, they can ask me OFF POST, but it is time to
stop
>
subjecting the rest of the group to this.
>
> Marsha
>
> > Very few BYB's ever consider themselves BYB's. Especially when
they cry
> > they have no money, can't afford another breeding
male, yet want
to
> > breed puppies.... hmm Marsha... why do you
need another male. Its
not a
> > dog you have been endeared to
just one you want to use as a
stud .... is
> > it just to raise
puppies and increase some income?????
> >
> >
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com>
ups.com
> [mailto:Chihuahuas@yahoogro
<mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com>
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>
On
> > Behalf Of Marsha Taylor
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 05,
2006 11:13 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ups.com
> >
Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a Newbie
> >
>
>
> >
> > No doubt this topic may lead to much discussion
and controversy
since
> > their are many different
oppinions....but.....
> > While there are many issues that
differentiate between legit
breeders
> > and BYB, I think with
your horses, you understand the MAIN issue.
A byb
> > breeds for
no reason other than dollar signs. Once the money
ceases to
> >
come in from the breeding, they are off to other ventures. A legit
>
> breeder actually cares about the animal they are breeding. Just
as
your
> > horses were bred because you loved the traits and
personality of
the
> > specific horse you were breeding. A lot
like people
reproduce.....we can
> > all just go out and
adopt (as I did) or we can produce a child
with a
> > person whom
we have fallen in love with because we want an
extension of
> >
ourselves and that person.
> >
> > Can mistakes and bad
outcomes happen with a legit breeder??
Absolutely!
> > The
question is, do we do everything we can to prevent the bad and
> >
create the best? Do we sacrifice all to assure the best possible?
Yes.
> >
> > If you have been happy with your horse,
have done all the
neccessary
> > ground work to assure health,
ect., have taken responsibility for
the
> > offspring, rather
that be keeping them or finding them the best
possible
> > homes,
then it really doesn't matter if some people choose to
think you
>
> are a byb. You answer only to yourself, God and the animals you
produce.
> > I am not a horse person, so I don't understand a lot
of what you
said,
> > but sounds to me as if you had your head on
straight when you
choose to
> > breed your horse.
>
>
> > As for Drake, what difference does it make at this point if
his
breeder
> > was or was not a byb? Yes, we should try to avoid
buying from
byb's in
> > order to discourage the continuation,
but now that you have him,
all
> > that matters is what you do in
the future.
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >> I
really hate the term backyard breeder. It gets very confusing
to
me
> >> what that means. I am assuming a lot that goes on with
horses
> >> breeding also applies to dogs. I do know dog breeders
that
surgically
> >> correct defects to show there dogs. I am
also a horse breeder of
> >> halter horses so I do know what you
are saying about HYPP in the
> >> quarter horses. I raise Paints
and APHA is doing nothing about
the
> >> HYPP issue. I have
never felt they should be allowed to be
shown. To
> >> lose a
class to a genetic defect, pisses me off. I don't own any
HYPP
>
>> horses. I have owned one gelding with HYPP about 18 years ago.
He
was
> >> symptomatic. It was very sad to me. My friends all have
HYPP
horses
> >> and even would breed H/H horses to win. HYPP
is not common in
> >> backyard breeders as it is in the bigger
well known breeders.
They
> >> just insure the horses and
collect when they die just to buy more
> >> horses with HYPP. The
sad part is many horses that they purposely
> >> breed to get the
gene of greatness (HYPP) is they are not all
show
> >>
quality. Then they are useless as a riding horse. Dangerous in my
>
>> opinion. I have never bought a horse from a big named halter
breeder.
> >> I am not sure I ever would. There is just to
much that I know
they do
> >> to the horses to win. If
backyard breeders are just doing it for
the
> >> money then
big time breeders are doing it for even more money. I
> >> think
there is many good horses sitting in someone's backyard
that
>
>> will never be shown because they just are not into showing,
the
> >> politics or they just don't know what they have. Only a
small
> >> percentage of all horses are shown. Not so much that
they are
not show
> >> quality. I have also seen so horses in
the top ten stallions that
> >> never should be there. They are
there only because the owners
have
> >> money and can hirer
the right trainer and take them to enough
shows. I
> >> have
always trained and shown my own horses. I have done good
and I
>
>> have done bad. I don't know if I am being judged or the horse.
There
> >> is just to much politics in a halter class. So in
many ways show
> >> records do not mean much to me. I do have show
records on most
of my
> >> horses. My best mare does not have
a show record. She does not
even
> >> look like much. She is
Wimpy's great granddaughter. She is very
> >> foundation looking.
Not like the modern halter horse at all. She
> >> produces the
most gorgeous foals. If I was not a backyard
breeder 20
> >>
years ago I might not never known that I had a great mare. She
was
in
> >> heat. I loved her great mind and wanted a baby from her.
She was
just
> >> my kids horse that I paid $200 for. I rode
her down to a
breeding farm
> >> that had a nice Paint
Stallion I thought would cross good on
her. He
> >> also did
not have to much of a show career do to injury, but his
> >>
babies where doing good at the shows. My foal was one of his best
>
>> ever. That let me know what I had if I breed her to the right
>
>> stallion. I continued to breed her to different stallions and
learned
> >> to show them. I have never shown out of CA but we
have several
State
> >> Champions out of her and her foals. I
have now raised 6
generation of
> >> foals. Some people might
call me a backyard breeder because I
don't
> >> have a big
name and I do breed to my own stallions now after many
> >> years
of breeding to world champions. I will say my stallions
foals
>
>> are twice the quality I ever got from paying thousands of
dollars
on
> >> stud fees. Sometimes I would like to take the credit for
the
quality I
> >> get. I think breeding is an art. You also
have to have an eye
for it.
> >> In someway I was lucky. I had
a mare that was a producer. She
passed
> >> this on to her
foals.
> >>
> >> Back to dogs. I do know the breeder
of Drake did produce a dog
with a
> >> great personality and
temperament. She did give him a full
series of
> >> vaccines
and raised him to be 4 months old before she sold him.
He was
>
>> in good health and pretty good manners. I never met the breeder.
I did
> >> meet the older daughters who sold him at the
grocery store.
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In
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> >>
ups.com,
> > "Nonnie" <nonnie_nt@> wrote:
>
>>>
> >>> anyone can create any registry and it
doesn't matter. its the
> >> quality of
> >>> the
dog and its background that is important. I could care less
> >>
what
> >>> registry if any a dog is with. Most shouldn't be
registered as
> >> quality
> >>> anyways. I think a
dog should have to pass genetic testing and
> >> physical
>
>>> traits before it could be registered. That would eliminate alot
of
> >> the
> >>> backyard breeders who are
breeding for money. PEOPLE think
because
> >> a dog is
>
>>> registered anything its something special.... its NOT!! Its a
piece
> >> of paper
> >>> that's all.
>
>>>
> >>> At least the AQHA American Quarter Horse is
doing something. As
of
> >> 2007
> >>> they
will no longer register HYPP postive horses which means you
> >>
darn well
> >>> better test the parents before you breed if you
expect ot have a
> >> registered
> >>> quarter
horse.
> >>>
> >>> Nonnie
>
>>>
> >>> PS Back yard breeders never identify
themselves as BYB - and
puppy
> >> millers
>
>>> never admit to being a puppy mill. They all say they are trying
to
> >> improve
> >>> the breed. A lot of
people who breed don't have a pot to piss in
> >>> financially
and keep saying that they can't afford this or that
but
> >>
they are
> >>> still breeding puppies... makes you know why ...
its because
they
> >> sell them
> >>> and make
money inspite of what they say.
> >>>
> >>> I
call a spade a spade
> >>>
> >>>
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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> >>>
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> >>
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> > On
> >>> Behalf Of Marsha Taylor
>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 11:37 PM
> >>> To:
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> >>> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a
Newbie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
>>> > whether
> >>> CKC is good or bad depends on
who you are talking to, lol. I
prefer
> >> the
>
>>> AKC, but am considering dual registering my AKC's because it
seems
> >> most
> >>> people are
wanting
> >>> CKC these days.
> >>>
>
>>> So maybe your baby didn't come from the best of places. My
first chi
> >>> didn't either. I was in 8th grade, and he
came from a puppy
mill. I
> >> didn't
> >>>
know then what I know now. Nonetheless, he gave me 16 wonderful
>
>> years and
> >>> I wouldn't have taken anything for
him. Now that you have your
baby,
> >>> forget what his
past was and focus on the wonderful future you
have
> >>
with
> >>> him!
> >>> :-)
>
>>>
> >>> My chis love to play with my bigger dogs. In
fact, I have a
> >> Husky/wolf mix
> >>> that they
adore! Like you, I never leave them unattended...why
take
>
>>> chances, they can be accidently harmed....but at the same time,
I
> >> don't
> >>> worry a bit when the chis
are outside playing with the big dogs.
> >> The only
>
>>> thing I worry about is Ginger trying to take Barley out of
the
> >> yard...they
> >>> both know better!! lol.
She is one that don't mind anything and
> >> loves to
>
>>> get the others in trouble, lol.
> >>>
>
>>> Marsha
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
