ok, so you are telling me that because her son killer her CHI that she should not have anymore or raise them, i had a friend that lived with me and let my yorkie out and it got hit by a car, so since my friend did this you are going to tell me that i am not responsible enough to get another one or raise them, that is for the birds, her son did it she did not,
--- In [email protected], "Nonnie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > yeah IF one learns from their past... that fact has not been proven. > > Nonnie > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Tracie > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 3:35 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a Newbie > > > > I believe you are taking this to a different level, i thought this > was a group for chihuahua lovers, I dont believe you love anyone but > yourself, you need to get off of peoples backs and if you cant say > anything good or in a nicer way dont say anything at all, i signed up > here becuase i love my chihuahuas, if it where not for breeders i > would not have my babies, so she is a breeder who gives a rats ass, > as long as she takes care of them and makes sure they go to good > homes what should you have to say about that, so leave her alone and > drop it, and i dont see why you keep bringing up her past, that is > why it is called the PAST leave it > there................................................................. > ......... > > no simply speaking my opinion!!! You always claim to be poor marsha, > as > > in no money, no funds, broke blah blah as well as deaf and the part > > about being deaf is a non-issue!. BUT you also say you are an > attorney? > > Well think on this a poor (as in no money) attorney is a poor (in > > quality and people skills, as in a lousy attorney). You can travel > to > > washington DC to be sworn in ... sworn in as what...... be > specific...be > > a member (perhaps) of state bar association but not your local bar > > association, have a kid (whether real, step or you are the current > home > > for kid of a deadbeat kid's mother) who you so causally say is > in "juvy" > > as (to those of us layman juvenile deliqency program or JAIL) like > its > > no big deal, who killed your "breeding male" Just remember you can > fool > > some of the people all of the time, some of the people some of the > time > > and there are people like me who YOU can't fool at all. > > > > And you know what the person who has the most problem with > something is > > the one who is usually guilty of what they are being accused of. > > > > I call a spade a spade. My 2 dogs , one is neutered and the other is > > spayed. I have raised nor plan to have ZERO litters of puppies. I > > don't care how broke I am I would not breed dogs for the money or > even > > to have an egocentric idea I could improve the breed which most > people > > don't care about unless they are showing dogs and want their name on > > some big fancy cup. Therefore where does that leave you. You are not > > showing etc. you are simply trying to perhaps earn some money and > make > > a living not for the love of the animal, blah blah blah I'm not a > byb, > > can never be accused of being one. In fact, both my dogs are > rescues. > > If I presented my views and you presented yours to a neutral jury I > bet > > you I know who'd win. > > > > Nonnie > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com, > "Nonnie" <nonnie_nt@> wrote: > > > > marsha many months ago I did reply to you privately and YOU posted > it to the > > group!! If you are a lawyer you should not be poor except unless > you are > > not a good lawyer. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com] > On > > Behalf Of Marsha Taylor > > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 3:00 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com > > Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a Newbie > > > > > > > > Simple answer...I wanted another stud because I AM a > Breeder...kinda hard > > to breed with out a guy, in case you didn't know. However, you may > be > > tickled to death to know that I DID invest in another male, for > Ginger's > > sake, but will NOT be breeding him because he is NOT suitable for my > > breeding purposes, but I WILL be getting another male for breeding > > purposes when I can afford it and the reaosn I can not afford it > right now > > is because I DON'T breed for money...if I did, I could be rich. > > > > There is no breeder in which you agree with their breeding. You are > > completely anti breeding, yet you have no problem with having > chis....do > > you think your chis dropped out of the thin air??? Either they came > from a > > byb (even if, and especially if a pound rescue) or else they were > > purchased from a breeder who intentionally breeds. > > > > Know what Nonnie, I have had this argument with you for too long, > you > > don't have a clue who I am or what I am about. I take great pride > in my > > chis and if you disagree, so what, screw you. I have tried to > ignore your > > little comments, I have tried to play nice, I even left the group > > temporarily at one point to keep from saying something to you. I am > not > > playing your games any more. You are a jerk and i am sure you feel > the > > same about me. I will not reply to your smart elic remarks any > more, but I > > am not gonna turn my back on a group I enjoy because You choose to > make > > people misserable. If you have something to say about me, tell it to > > whomever you want OFF POST....if anyone wants to hear my version or > verify > > anything you tell them, they can ask me OFF POST, but it is time to > stop > > subjecting the rest of the group to this. > > > > Marsha > > > > > Very few BYB's ever consider themselves BYB's. Especially when > they cry > > > they have no money, can't afford another breeding male, yet want > to > > > breed puppies.... hmm Marsha... why do you need another male. Its > not a > > > dog you have been endeared to just one you want to use as a > stud .... is > > > it just to raise puppies and increase some income????? > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> > ups.com > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> > ups.com] > > On > > > Behalf Of Marsha Taylor > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:13 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> > ups.com > > > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a Newbie > > > > > > > > > > > > No doubt this topic may lead to much discussion and controversy > since > > > their are many different oppinions....but..... > > > While there are many issues that differentiate between legit > breeders > > > and BYB, I think with your horses, you understand the MAIN issue. > A byb > > > breeds for no reason other than dollar signs. Once the money > ceases to > > > come in from the breeding, they are off to other ventures. A legit > > > breeder actually cares about the animal they are breeding. Just > as your > > > horses were bred because you loved the traits and personality of > the > > > specific horse you were breeding. A lot like people > reproduce.....we can > > > all just go out and adopt (as I did) or we can produce a child > with a > > > person whom we have fallen in love with because we want an > extension of > > > ourselves and that person. > > > > > > Can mistakes and bad outcomes happen with a legit breeder?? > Absolutely! > > > The question is, do we do everything we can to prevent the bad and > > > create the best? Do we sacrifice all to assure the best possible? > Yes. > > > > > > If you have been happy with your horse, have done all the > neccessary > > > ground work to assure health, ect., have taken responsibility for > the > > > offspring, rather that be keeping them or finding them the best > possible > > > homes, then it really doesn't matter if some people choose to > think you > > > are a byb. You answer only to yourself, God and the animals you > produce. > > > I am not a horse person, so I don't understand a lot of what you > said, > > > but sounds to me as if you had your head on straight when you > choose to > > > breed your horse. > > > > > > As for Drake, what difference does it make at this point if his > breeder > > > was or was not a byb? Yes, we should try to avoid buying from > byb's in > > > order to discourage the continuation, but now that you have him, > all > > > that matters is what you do in the future. > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > >> I really hate the term backyard breeder. It gets very confusing > to me > > >> what that means. I am assuming a lot that goes on with horses > > >> breeding also applies to dogs. I do know dog breeders that > surgically > > >> correct defects to show there dogs. I am also a horse breeder of > > >> halter horses so I do know what you are saying about HYPP in the > > >> quarter horses. I raise Paints and APHA is doing nothing about > the > > >> HYPP issue. I have never felt they should be allowed to be > shown. To > > >> lose a class to a genetic defect, pisses me off. I don't own any > HYPP > > >> horses. I have owned one gelding with HYPP about 18 years ago. > He was > > >> symptomatic. It was very sad to me. My friends all have HYPP > horses > > >> and even would breed H/H horses to win. HYPP is not common in > > >> backyard breeders as it is in the bigger well known breeders. > They > > >> just insure the horses and collect when they die just to buy more > > >> horses with HYPP. The sad part is many horses that they purposely > > >> breed to get the gene of greatness (HYPP) is they are not all > show > > >> quality. Then they are useless as a riding horse. Dangerous in my > > >> opinion. I have never bought a horse from a big named halter > breeder. > > >> I am not sure I ever would. There is just to much that I know > they do > > >> to the horses to win. If backyard breeders are just doing it for > the > > >> money then big time breeders are doing it for even more money. I > > >> think there is many good horses sitting in someone's backyard > that > > >> will never be shown because they just are not into showing, the > > >> politics or they just don't know what they have. Only a small > > >> percentage of all horses are shown. Not so much that they are > not show > > >> quality. I have also seen so horses in the top ten stallions that > > >> never should be there. They are there only because the owners > have > > >> money and can hirer the right trainer and take them to enough > shows. I > > >> have always trained and shown my own horses. I have done good > and I > > >> have done bad. I don't know if I am being judged or the horse. > There > > >> is just to much politics in a halter class. So in many ways show > > >> records do not mean much to me. I do have show records on most > of my > > >> horses. My best mare does not have a show record. She does not > even > > >> look like much. She is Wimpy's great granddaughter. She is very > > >> foundation looking. Not like the modern halter horse at all. She > > >> produces the most gorgeous foals. If I was not a backyard > breeder 20 > > >> years ago I might not never known that I had a great mare. She > was in > > >> heat. I loved her great mind and wanted a baby from her. She was > just > > >> my kids horse that I paid $200 for. I rode her down to a > breeding farm > > >> that had a nice Paint Stallion I thought would cross good on > her. He > > >> also did not have to much of a show career do to injury, but his > > >> babies where doing good at the shows. My foal was one of his best > > >> ever. That let me know what I had if I breed her to the right > > >> stallion. I continued to breed her to different stallions and > learned > > >> to show them. I have never shown out of CA but we have several > State > > >> Champions out of her and her foals. I have now raised 6 > generation of > > >> foals. Some people might call me a backyard breeder because I > don't > > >> have a big name and I do breed to my own stallions now after many > > >> years of breeding to world champions. I will say my stallions > foals > > >> are twice the quality I ever got from paying thousands of > dollars on > > >> stud fees. Sometimes I would like to take the credit for the > quality I > > >> get. I think breeding is an art. You also have to have an eye > for it. > > >> In someway I was lucky. I had a mare that was a producer. She > passed > > >> this on to her foals. > > >> > > >> Back to dogs. I do know the breeder of Drake did produce a dog > with a > > >> great personality and temperament. She did give him a full > series of > > >> vaccines and raised him to be 4 months old before she sold him. > He was > > >> in good health and pretty good manners. I never met the breeder. > I did > > >> meet the older daughters who sold him at the grocery store. > > >> > > >> > > >> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas% 40yahoogroups.com> > > >> ups.com, > > > "Nonnie" <nonnie_nt@> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> anyone can create any registry and it doesn't matter. its the > > >> quality of > > >>> the dog and its background that is important. I could care less > > >> what > > >>> registry if any a dog is with. Most shouldn't be registered as > > >> quality > > >>> anyways. I think a dog should have to pass genetic testing and > > >> physical > > >>> traits before it could be registered. That would eliminate alot > of > > >> the > > >>> backyard breeders who are breeding for money. PEOPLE think > because > > >> a dog is > > >>> registered anything its something special.... its NOT!! Its a > piece > > >> of paper > > >>> that's all. > > >>> > > >>> At least the AQHA American Quarter Horse is doing something. As > of > > >> 2007 > > >>> they will no longer register HYPP postive horses which means you > > >> darn well > > >>> better test the parents before you breed if you expect ot have a > > >> registered > > >>> quarter horse. > > >>> > > >>> Nonnie > > >>> > > >>> PS Back yard breeders never identify themselves as BYB - and > puppy > > >> millers > > >>> never admit to being a puppy mill. They all say they are trying > to > > >> improve > > >>> the breed. A lot of people who breed don't have a pot to piss in > > >>> financially and keep saying that they can't afford this or that > but > > >> they are > > >>> still breeding puppies... makes you know why ... its because > they > > >> sell them > > >>> and make money inspite of what they say. > > >>> > > >>> I call a spade a spade > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas% 40yahoogroups.com> > > >>> ups.com > > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas% 40yahoogroups.com> > > >> ups.com] > > > On > > >>> Behalf Of Marsha Taylor > > >>> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 11:37 PM > > >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> > ups.com > > >>> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a Newbie > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > whether > > >>> CKC is good or bad depends on who you are talking to, lol. I > prefer > > >> the > > >>> AKC, but am considering dual registering my AKC's because it > seems > > >> most > > >>> people are wanting > > >>> CKC these days. > > >>> > > >>> So maybe your baby didn't come from the best of places. My > first chi > > >>> didn't either. I was in 8th grade, and he came from a puppy > mill. I > > >> didn't > > >>> know then what I know now. Nonetheless, he gave me 16 wonderful > > >> years and > > >>> I wouldn't have taken anything for him. Now that you have your > baby, > > >>> forget what his past was and focus on the wonderful future you > have > > >> with > > >>> him! > > >>> :-) > > >>> > > >>> My chis love to play with my bigger dogs. In fact, I have a > > >> Husky/wolf mix > > >>> that they adore! Like you, I never leave them unattended...why > take > > >>> chances, they can be accidently harmed....but at the same time, > I > > >> don't > > >>> worry a bit when the chis are outside playing with the big dogs. > > >> The only > > >>> thing I worry about is Ginger trying to take Barley out of the > > >> yard...they > > >>> both know better!! lol. She is one that don't mind anything and > > >> loves to > > >>> get the others in trouble, lol. > > >>> > > >>> Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/MJOolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> " Lets talk about our wonderful little friends! Join today! " Yahoo! 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