Okay Deanna do yo unot use beef? you stated you just use a whole Chicken and grind it all which I guess means the entire thing all bones etc... including the neck, heart & liver. Do you add beef as well or meal? I am trying to figure out hte best and easiest way to Switch Sissy to. She does better with moist food and if I give her kibble I have to wet it or she has bleeds with her poop. For a while I was mixing wet kibble with canned lamb & rice. She is 6 mos now so I am not sure when do you put them on raw after a year? Also can you tell me the grinder you use again as well. Thank you, Ellen
--- In [email protected], Darcy Jacobs <flyway7...@...> wrote: > > simply brilliant Deanna. > darcy.. > > --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Deanna Corey <myowndogp...@...> wrote: > > > From: Deanna Corey <myowndogp...@...> > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 6:06 PM > > >  > > > > > > > Hi ya Peggy!! > I will try to answer your ?? the best I can! I am just gonna insert my > answers in your post below...my answers will be in blue. >  > > > > > > > From: Peggy & The Girls <phr...@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 1:47:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. > >  > > > For any one who can answer my questions to: >  > From what I understand is that a dog has to be on all raw or on all kibble > diet, I have gotten the impression that you can't mix both. Or maybe I am > wrong? Dogs digest the two differently so it is best to choose one or the > other to avoid stomach upset..I also understand that if you go raw, they have > to have the bones as well, and in order to avoid splinters from the bones, it > Has to be grinded. Yet someone posted a picture of their dogs eating a whole > raw turkey, so I am confused on the grinding issue!!  No...grinding is NOT a > necessity...they do need 10% raw, edible bone in their diet. I choose to > grind only for my littles...those under 10lbs just because I worry they > wouldn't be able to crunch them up enough and splinters do worry ME! Many > people feed whole pieces without grinding! Grinding is just my choice so I > don't worry so much. They need the enzymes from the bones which they get > ground or whole and the purpose for whole is to help with teeth...i use other > options as well as bones for clean teeth....another subject!I would think > for a dog that doesn't have a lot of teeth like my Gigi (I adopted her that > way) that raw wouldn't be a good idea because she can't chew as good as she > should. Which also makes me wonder what will raw fed owners do when their > Chi's get into their senior years and loose teeth?Many times dogs that are on > raw all their lives don't have the same teeth issues as those on > kibble.Feeding raw PREVENTS dental disease because of the enzymes. Chewing > on raw bones also helps with gum disease...notice I said chewing. My dogs get > to chew on knuckle bones to help with teeth...but I don't let them swallow > bones like chicken leg bones or thigh bones because of splintering. They do > get to chew and swallow necks, breasts, wings and parts of the backs...the > bones on those pieces don't seem to have the same splintering issues...they > are pliable and softer. Older dogs that have already lost teeth do GREAT on > ground!!! > Another reason I grind some is because none of my guys are too keen on the > organs by themselves...if I grind a whole chicken everything gets ground up > into one pile...they never know the 10% organs are in there...and the balance > of the 80%10%10% in a whole chicken is almost perfect...balance without worry! >  >  > I am also confused about people saying that the by products of chicken and > beef is bad for dogs, yet, if you feed raw, they Are eating the by-products > of the animal, so what's the difference? When a dog food company says > "By-Products" you have to realize there are no controls on that protein > source. MOST dog food companies buy their protein or get their protein from > rendering plants. A Rendering plant process, diseased, dead and decaying > animal carcasses which can and does include road kill...YUCK! I don't feed > by-product! I feed organs...10% fresh organs...livers and kidneys and some > green tripe. NO road kill! No deseased animals...no decaying meat! 100% human > grade and organic and range free/grass fed when I can find it! Raw feeders > don't feed By-products. >  > What I also find interesting is that I had two Maltese PM puppies (RIP) that > were supposedly never to have made it past the first couple of days that I > owned them because they were so sick with being overdosed with Parvo shots, > were on a diet of Iams kibble and milk bones for their whole life and never > saw a Vet except for their shots, and only had their teeth cleaned once, and > never lost any teeth, and yet they both lived to 14 yrs and 16.6 years old, > with no health issues. The only people food that they ever had was egg and > cheese. I had always kept them on a strict diet of their own food and never > gave them the leftovers. It just makes me wonder if all of the controversy > over raw and natural kibble diets is really worth it. In fact I look back at > all the dogs that I had prior to the Malteses, and they all lived to 14 to > over 16 years old and never saw a Vet. None were ever on HW and Flea Spot > stuff either. Some never even had Boosters or > a Rabies shots either. I some times think that more health issues are > related to the shots and flea and HW stuff then their diet. And Iams > kibble was the only food I ever fed any of them. They were all different > breeds to. It all just makes me wonder..Well...I think you answered your own > question to some extent here. I believe that most of the health issues in > dogs comes from too many shots and "preventative" garbage that poisons > them...heart worm, flea meds etc. A dog with a healthy immune system does not > need these things...most of the time! I don't know what years you were > feeding Iams but it use to be a decent food...in the beginning they used > good ingredients! Then they sold out to one of the bigger pet food companies > and they have not been a good choice ever since. I do believe that healthy > genes play a big part in over-all health...but I also know of thousands of > dogs that suffer because they are not fed properly...since I don't spend the $ > to do genetic health testing on my dogs, I opt to do the best I can to give > them what I think is the best options for optimal health. I don't > over-vaccinate or over poison either. I just want the best shot at health > because I can't be sure my guys don't have compromised health issues due to > poor genes. etc. Raw made sense to me simply because when you study what a > dog is...a carnivore...it just naturally leads to a meat diet...and since we > know Wolves and other Canines don't own Kenmore stoves or go to chef school > it makes sense they eat it raw! When you study further and you learn about > their digestives systems it makes even more sense. Fruits, grains and > Veggies need to be broken down by a LONG digestive process for their to be > value in them for our dogs. A dog's digestive track is super short...does not > afford digestion of such foods as they were never designed to eat them. > Now...we do know that animals adapt and can live off of nutrients they were > not designed to eat...obviously. But I guess my big question is: If you know > what they were designed and created to eat...then why not feed them (as close > as is possible for us) exactly that way?? >  > Before I did the switch to raw I really thought my dogs were super healthy! > We never needed vet care etc...they were never "sick"...except for a few > little issues...a ear issue every now and then...maybe a UTI. But what I > witnessed after about 6 months after the switch told me that while they were > fine, they were not exactly at their healthiest!! Coats, skin, ears, teeth, > odors, ...you name it...changed for the better. Attitudes changed...energy > levels changed...stools/waste changed...so I was sold! 100% sold!!! They were > changes I wasn't looking for...but what a gift to get them. >  > This just works for so many people!!! So many dogs with cancer, and other > horrible diseases are being given a second chance because of diet change...I > persoanlly am all about prevention. And just because I feed raw do I think I > will escape all horrible diseases coming my way???Certainly not...but I want > better odds...I want better immune systems so if something does come we have > a better shot at survival. >  > This is just the decision that I have come to...it is my own decision...one > that did not come easy for me. It is just simply the best choice for us!!! > Does that mean it's the best for you? for everyone?? Maybe! But thats for you > to decide...and ONLY you!!!! If you do not see the value in raw...don't let > yourself be bullied into doing it. BUt whatever you choose...do enough > research...even if it is your own experiences...to know why you do what you > do so that you are not swayed and feel confident in that choice! >  > Hugs from the dog park! > Deanna >  >  >  > I'm not a raw feeder, but I wanted to tell you that if Ricky is a picky > eater, like my Princess is, then, have you ever tried the Wellness Chicken > kibble? Princess has never been big on eating, but now that she has been on > the Wellness Chicken, she looks forward to meal time and even ask for > seconds, They breed and raise their own chickens and everything is processed > in their own plant, so you don't have to worry about cross contamination. > It's mostly pure chicken plus veggies and the omegas are added in, no > fillers, preservatives,artificial colors etc.. The chicken type is a larger > chunk, so for Gigi, I put her portion in the blender and chop it smaller, and > I have noticed by doing this that she is not downing the chunks, but now > takes her time in eating it. >  > I did not like the turkey and fish blend, which is marked for small breeds > because her poop and breath stank. She actually likes the Chicken better.The > chicken blend is called Super 5 Complete Health blend and is all natural. I > tried other brands and this was an instant hit. Their canned chicken is 95% > pure chicken. If you email them, they may send you samples. >  > http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/product-details.aspx?pet=dog&pid=52&dm=completehealth > >  > > > ⥠Peggy & The Girls ⥠> > Waggin' Tails in The Dog Park, > Deanna > >                                                             > and >  The Dog Park Pack: > Nugget, Shuai-Li, Mouse, Myrtle, Mable, and Caleb and honorary non-dog > members of The Dog Park: > Stella-Macaw, Stanley-Amazon, Miles the cat > www.joys4toys.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kavi <kaviescontin...@...> > To: Chihuahuas <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 2:54 pm > Subject: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again... > > >  > > > > > > > > Hi everyone > > I know we have about exhausted the raw feeding talk. I want to start feeding > Ricky Raw. He likes our food so much that I am waisting money on dog food. So > I would just like a very simple recipe for Ricky. I do not want to grind up > food. I just want to mix like raw beef, turkey, or chicken, the livers etc > with veggies and whatever else. what about vitamins? He will get all the > vitamins he needs in raw? > > A meat, livers, veggies? and what about the raw bones? can I just put them in > a baggie and use a hammer and crush them? > > I can read about raw feeding online, but who better to ask than the ones who > do it here! > > Thanks > shanna > ------------------------------------ " Lets talk about our wonderful little friends! Join today! " Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Chihuahuas/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Chihuahuas/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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