yup ...i just raised a one lb chi and a 2 lb chi from 7 weeks old on raw...you do have to adjust what you feed according to the out put but thats very easy... too loose more bone too hard more liver.... darcy
--- On Wed, 11/17/10, Christy Sylvest <[email protected]> wrote: From: Christy Sylvest <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [Chihuahuas] Re: deanna OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 8:22 PM Lots of people start with raw at weaning so you don't have to wait a year. If you grind you do bones and all, but you don't have to grind, nawing on the bones is awesome for their teeth. And raw would have tons more moisture than kibble and should not cause any dehydration or constipation. "Whether or not it is clear to you, the world is unfolding as it should." -Desiderata Christy Sylvest [email protected] > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:31:09 +0000 > Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: deanna OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. > > Okay Deanna do yo unot use beef? you stated you just use a whole Chicken and > grind it all which I guess means the entire thing all bones etc... including > the neck, heart & liver. Do you add beef as well or meal? I am trying to > figure out hte best and easiest way to Switch Sissy to. She does better with > moist food and if I give her kibble I have to wet it or she has bleeds with > her poop. For a while I was mixing wet kibble with canned lamb & rice. She is > 6 mos now so I am not sure when do you put them on raw after a year? Also can > you tell me the grinder you use again as well. Thank you, Ellen > > --- In [email protected], Darcy Jacobs <flyway7...@...> wrote: > > > > simply brilliant Deanna. > > darcy.. > > > > --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Deanna Corey <myowndogp...@...> wrote: > > > > > > From: Deanna Corey <myowndogp...@...> > > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 6:06 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi ya Peggy!! > > I will try to answer your ?? the best I can! I am just gonna insert my > > answers in your post below...my answers will be in blue. > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Peggy & The Girls <phr...@...> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 1:47:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again.. > > > >  > > > > > > For any one who can answer my questions to: > >  > > From what I understand is that a dog has to be on all raw or on all > > kibble diet, I have gotten the impression that you can't mix both. Or maybe > > I am wrong? Dogs digest the two differently so it is best to choose one > > or the other to avoid stomach upset..I also understand that if you go raw, > > they have to have the bones as well, and in order to avoid splinters from > > the bones, it Has to be grinded. Yet someone posted a picture of their > > dogs eating a whole > > raw turkey, so I am confused on the grinding issue!!  No...grinding is NOT > > a necessity...they do need 10% raw, edible bone in their diet. I choose to > > grind only for my littles...those under 10lbs just because I worry they > > wouldn't be able to crunch them up enough and splinters do worry ME! Many > > people feed whole pieces without grinding! Grinding is just my choice so I > > don't worry so much. They need the enzymes from the bones which they get > > ground or whole and the purpose for whole is to help with teeth...i use > > other options as well as bones for clean teeth....another subject!I would > > think for a dog that doesn't have a lot of teeth like my Gigi (I adopted > > her that way) that raw wouldn't be a good idea because she can't chew as > > good as she should. Which also makes me wonder what will raw fed owners do > > when their Chi's get into their senior years and loose teeth?Many times > > dogs that are on raw all their lives don't have the same teeth issues as those on > > kibble.Feeding raw PREVENTS dental disease because of the enzymes. Chewing > > on raw bones also helps with gum disease...notice I said chewing. My dogs > > get to chew on knuckle bones to help with teeth...but I don't let them > > swallow bones like chicken leg bones or thigh bones because of splintering. > > They do get to chew and swallow necks, breasts, wings and parts of the > > backs...the bones on those pieces don't seem to have the same splintering > > issues...they are pliable and softer. Older dogs that have already lost > > teeth do GREAT on ground!!! > > Another reason I grind some is because none of my guys are too keen on the > > organs by themselves...if I grind a whole chicken everything gets ground up > > into one pile...they never know the 10% organs are in there...and the > > balance of the 80%10%10% in a whole chicken is almost perfect...balance > > without worry! > >  > >  > > I am also confused about people saying that the by products of chicken and > > beef is bad for dogs, yet, if you feed raw, they Are eating the by-products > > of the animal, so what's the difference? When a dog food company says > > "By-Products" you have to realize there are no controls on that protein > > source. MOST dog food companies buy their protein or get their protein from > > rendering plants. A Rendering plant process, diseased, dead and decaying > > animal carcasses which can and does include road kill...YUCK! I don't > > feed by-product! I feed organs...10% fresh organs...livers and kidneys and > > some green tripe. NO road kill! No deseased animals...no decaying meat! > > 100% human grade and organic and range free/grass fed when I can find it! > > Raw feeders don't feed By-products. > >  > > What I also find interesting is that I had two Maltese PM puppies (RIP) > > that were supposedly never to have made it past the first couple of days > > that I owned them because they were so sick with being overdosed with Parvo > > shots, were on a diet of Iams kibble and milk bones for their whole life > > and never saw a Vet except for their shots, and only had their teeth > > cleaned once, and never lost any teeth, and yet they both lived to 14 yrs > > and 16.6 years old, with no health issues. The only people food that they > > ever had was egg and cheese. I had always kept them on a strict diet of > > their own food and never gave them the leftovers. It just makes me wonder > > if all of the controversy over raw and natural kibble diets is really > > worth it. In fact I look back at all the dogs that I had prior to the > > Malteses, and they all lived to 14 to over 16 years old and never saw a > > Vet. None were ever on HW and Flea Spot stuff either. Some never even had Boosters or > > a Rabies shots either. I some times think that more health issues are > > related to the shots and flea and HW stuff then their diet. And Iams > > kibble was the only food I ever fed any of them. They were all different > > breeds to. It all just makes me wonder..Well...I think you answered your > > own question to some extent here. I believe that most of the health issues > > in dogs comes from too many shots and "preventative" garbage that poisons > > them...heart worm, flea meds etc. A dog with a healthy immune system does > > not need these things...most of the time! I don't know what years you were > > feeding Iams but it use to be a decent food...in the beginning they used > > good ingredients! Then they sold out to one of the bigger pet food > > companies and they have not been a good choice ever since. I do believe > > that healthy genes play a big part in over-all health...but I also know of > > thousands of dogs that suffer because they are not fed properly...since I > > don't spend the $ > > to do genetic health testing on my dogs, I opt to do the best I can to give > > them what I think is the best options for optimal health. I don't > > over-vaccinate or over poison either. I just want the best shot at health > > because I can't be sure my guys don't have compromised health issues due to > > poor genes. etc. Raw made sense to me simply because when you study what a > > dog is...a carnivore...it just naturally leads to a meat diet...and since > > we know Wolves and other Canines don't own Kenmore stoves or go to chef > > school it makes sense they eat it raw! When you study further and you learn > > about their digestives systems it makes even more sense. Fruits, > > grains and Veggies need to be broken down by a LONG digestive process for > > their to be value in them for our dogs. A dog's digestive track is super > > short...does not afford digestion of such foods as they were never designed > > to eat them. Now...we do know that animals adapt and can live off of > > nutrients they were > > not designed to eat...obviously. But I guess my big question is: If you > > know what they were designed and created to eat...then why not feed them > > (as close as is possible for us) exactly that way?? > >  > > Before I did the switch to raw I really thought my dogs were super > > healthy! We never needed vet care etc...they were never "sick"...except for > > a few little issues...a ear issue every now and then...maybe a UTI. But > > what I witnessed after about 6 months after the switch told me that while > > they were fine, they were not exactly at their healthiest!! Coats, skin, > > ears, teeth, odors, ...you name it...changed for the better. Attitudes > > changed...energy levels changed...stools/waste changed...so I was sold! > > 100% sold!!! They were changes I wasn't looking for...but what a gift to > > get them. > >  > > This just works for so many people!!! So many dogs with cancer, and other > > horrible diseases are being given a second chance because of diet > > change...I persoanlly am all about prevention. And just because I feed raw > > do I think I will escape all horrible diseases coming my way???Certainly > > not...but I want better odds...I want better immune systems so if something > > does come we have a better shot at survival. > >  > > This is just the decision that I have come to...it is my own decision...one > > that did not come easy for me. It is just simply the best choice for us!!! > > Does that mean it's the best for you? for everyone?? Maybe! But thats for > > you to decide...and ONLY you!!!! If you do not see the value in raw...don't > > let yourself be bullied into doing it. BUt whatever you choose...do enough > > research...even if it is your own experiences...to know why you do what you > > do so that you are not swayed and feel confident in that choice! > >  > > Hugs from the dog park! > > Deanna > >  > >  > >  > > I'm not a raw feeder, but I wanted to tell you that if Ricky is a picky > > eater, like my Princess is, then, have you ever tried the Wellness Chicken > > kibble? Princess has never been big on eating, but now that she has been on > > the Wellness Chicken, she looks forward to meal time and even ask for > > seconds, They breed and raise their own chickens and everything is > > processed in their own plant, so you don't have to worry about cross > > contamination. It's mostly pure chicken plus veggies and the omegas are > > added in, no fillers, preservatives,artificial colors etc.. The chicken > > type is a larger chunk, so for Gigi, I put her portion in the blender and > > chop it smaller, and I have noticed by doing this that she is not downing > > the chunks, but now takes her time in eating it. > >  > > I did not like the turkey and fish blend, which is marked for small breeds > > because her poop and breath stank. She actually likes the Chicken > > better.The chicken blend is called Super 5 Complete Health blend and is all > > natural. I tried other brands and this was an instant hit. Their canned > > chicken is 95% pure chicken. If you email them, they may send you samples. > >  > > http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/product-details.aspx?pet=dog&pid=52&dm=completehealth > > > >  > > > > > > ♥ Peggy & The Girls ♥ > > > > Waggin' Tails in The Dog Park, > > Deanna > > > >                                                             > > and > >  The Dog Park Pack: > > Nugget, Shuai-Li, Mouse, Myrtle, Mable, and Caleb and honorary non-dog > > members of The Dog Park: > > Stella-Macaw, Stanley-Amazon, Miles the cat > > www.joys4toys.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kavi <kaviescontin...@...> > > To: Chihuahuas <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 2:54 pm > > Subject: [Chihuahuas] OK, lets talk Raw Feeding again... > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone > > > > I know we have about exhausted the raw feeding talk. I want to start > > feeding Ricky Raw. He likes our food so much that I am waisting money on > > dog food. So I would just like a very simple recipe for Ricky. I do not > > want to grind up food. I just want to mix like raw beef, turkey, or > > chicken, the livers etc with veggies and whatever else. what about > > vitamins? He will get all the vitamins he needs in raw? > > > > A meat, livers, veggies? and what about the raw bones? can I just put them > > in a baggie and use a hammer and crush them? > > > > I can read about raw feeding online, but who better to ask than the ones > > who do it here! > > > > Thanks > > shanna > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > " Lets talk about our wonderful little friends! > Join today! " Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
