(but I don't know wheter this  foil also acts as a szintillatior).

Mylar is not scintillating, not as far as I know.
It�s being used as very thin and therefore good window substance of 
ordinary counting tube.

BTW: The east German army had a -in that time, 1980�s , very 
sophisticated radiation monitor, bulky piece, 2 kg, water proof 
aluminum case, fully digital uC (!!!) LED readout etc.
But all the literature says about the sensor is "semiconductor sensor".
I always thought it�s a photodiode +scintillator but maybe it�s a diode 
only.

IF (!!) this diode was Russian, the typecode could be WRWR-30
or VRVR30 in latin letters.

The "-" between  letters and number of designation isn�t typically 
Russian.

Why don�t you get yourself some cheap photodiodes from 
www.reichelt.de or wheresoever and find somebody with a 
"good" radioactive probe substance, maybe at the next
university ?

Keep us updated, this sounds like an interesting discussion:-)

Jan




 I would really like to give this 
> MR> circuit a try before looking for such a special detection diode.
> 
> MR> Further researches about the author braught up the following results: 
> MR> The article was published in "Electronics Designer's Casebook No.3 for 
> MR> the period Feb 16, 1978 to Jan 4, 1979". The author doesn't work for the 
> MR> indicated institute in poland any more, not quite a surprise. So I can't 
> MR> contact him directly.
> 
> MR> But this tells us that the diodes are at least 25 years old and probably 
> MR> of eastern europe type (former CCCP I think, but not sure). So if anyone 
> MR> of the list members has an old data book on the shelf, please take a 
> MR> look ...
> 
> MR> Today's photodiodes should have a higher performance/sensitivity, so 
> MR> would a general purpose type (which one?) be ok for a simple test of the 
> MR> circuit?
> 
> MR> Best Regards
> MR> Markus
> 
> May I clean up a bit?
> Indeed any pn junction is sensitive to ionizing radiation, independent
> of the type of radiation. alpha, beta and gamma do all create
> electron-hole pairs in the semiconductor material, while loosing some
> energy themselves. The energy loss per created eletron-hole pair is
> about 3x the band gap energy of the material, i.e. 3x 1.2eV in the
> case of silicon. If the electron-hole pair is created in or near the
> depletion region of the junction, the external field will separate
> electrons and holes and accelerate them towards the oppositely charged
> electrodes. These carriers appear then as an electric current through
> the diode.
> There are special diodes for these purposes around which have an
> extremely wide depletion region by the in-diffusion of lithium into
> the semiconductor material - they can even fully stop an alpha
> particle in the active region and the full energy of the particle will
> be converted. This allows an accurate measurement of the energy of the
> incoming alpha particles. A normal pn or even pin diode will only
> absorb part of the energy in the sensitive region and can still be
> used to detect the presence of radiation.
> 
> For Markus' project _any_ pn or pin diode will do if he can expose the
> junction to the incoming radiation. As described in the article a
> diode in a metal can with glass window is easiest to use, since you
> can remove the front window and replace it by an alpha-transparent
> material, such as the mylar foil described in the article - of course
> it has to be really light-tight, otherwise you will detect anything
> else as well.
> 
> Gamma and X-ray radiation has very little energy loss in most
> semiconductor materials, requiring very thick depletion regions to be
> detected. Since these are hard/impossible to manufacture and also very
> sensitive to thermal noise, scintillator materials are used to convert the
> incoming radiation into visible light which is easily absorbed in the
> junction.
> 
> Just a rough estimation of the absorption depth in semiconductors:
> alpha 1-10um
> beta  5-50um
> gamma several mm
> 
> Uwe.
> 
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