Adding to Neal’s comments, you might find the following documentation helpful:

Cisco Live: Best Practices for Migrating to CUCM 10.5
https://clnv.s3.amazonaws.com/2014%2Fusa%2Fpdf%2FBRKUCC-2011.pdf?Expires=1427481707&AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJO3XQSJMRXKWDHZQ&Signature=ZqJonKRBn4Tlw9mXHoxg7d9RUUY%3D

The first few sections in this doc might be helpful as well.
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/ucmapMigrate/10_5_1/CUCM_BK_M24251C0_00_migrate-procedure-for-cucm_1051/CUCM_BK_M24251C0_00_migrate-procedure-for-cucm_1051_chapter_01.html

As Neal mentioned, you have to keep in mind that 10.5 is VM only and, while a 
direct RU upgrade from 8.5 to 10.5 is possible, you also need to consider the 
hardware requirements of 10.5 as well. Check out the 10.5 OVA specifications 
here:

http://www.cisco.com/web/software/283088407/112975/cucm.ova.README.txt

But to the steps mentioned below, this description sounds more like a Jump 
Upgrade procedure, which I understand is only required when upgrading from CUCM 
6.x/7.1(5), not CUCM 8.5.

So for the 8.5 to 10.5 upgrade – It seems the most straight forward method, 
assuming you’re on an MCS server, would be to


1)      DRS restore your 8.5 cluster to a virtualized environment built out on 
a v8.5 OVA template.

++ I’ve read that 8.5 won’t install on a v10 OVA template. Have I tried this 
myself? No. Should easy enough to test though. If it doesn’t, I’d imagine it’s 
due to disk sizing requirements for the user node specs.

2)      Use LCU to gather your license information pre-upgrade

3)      Refresh Upgrade from virtual 8.5 on UCS directly to 10.5 manually 
without PCD – requires the keys.cop and refresh_upgrade files. Last I checked 
you cannot upgrade from 8.5 to 10.5 via PCD.

++ I’d suggest reviewing the v10 OVA readme file and make sure you’re virtual 
machine specs and reservations are sufficient for the upgrade. Update if 
necessary – careful with disk resizing – there’s a recent thread on this topic 
alone.

4)      Submit a license request gathered from PLM – you’ll have a 60 day grace 
period.

++ At this point you should be on 10.5 with proper CPU and memory 
specifications and reservations, but your virtual disks will still be the 8.5 
provisioned specs. Having 2x80GB drives on CUCM 10.5 is supported and it runs 
just fine.

My suggestion would be to review all the migration and upgrade documentation 
you can find and review it. This might also help:

MCS to UCS – Slides 70 and higher might be most helpful:
http://stor.balios.net/Live2012/BRKUCC-2011.pdf

Also keep in mind that live MOH audio sources via USB are not supported in 10.5 
– you’ll need an alternate, IOS based solution for this.

Another caveat to keep in mind is Unity Connection and AXL synchronization – 
this will break unless you’re on Unity Connection 8.6 SU5 or a higher ES. If 
you patch to 8.6SU5 then be aware of CSCuq63776 – it’s pretty critical and 
you’re pretty much guaranteed to hit this after a SU5 patch. The latest CUC ES 
is 163 and includes a fix for this defect in addition to the BASH vulnerability 
patch and the fix for AXL.

I hope someone corrects any mistakes I made above and hope this helps.

- Dan



From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Haas, 
Neal
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 10:41 AM
To: 'Andrew Grech'; Nick
Cc: Cisco VoIP Group
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Upgrading CUCM from 8.5 to 10.5

10.5 is VM only, 8.6.1 usually was MCS hardware.

To upgrade you will need to 8.6.1 upgrade to 9.1 on MCS. Then 9.1 MCS to VM, 
the upgrade 9.1 to 10.5(2)SU1.


Neal Haas

From: cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of 
Andrew Grech
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 7:30 AM
To: Nick
Cc: Cisco VoIP Group
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Upgrading CUCM from 8.5 to 10.5


Supported vs the system will upgrade are two different things.
On 27/03/2015 1:51 AM, "Nick" 
<csv...@googlemail.com<mailto:csv...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
Hi All

Just checking through documentation for CUCM 10.5 for an upgrade, the 
compatibility guide states that a direct upgrade is from 8.6.1 onwards as shown 
below.

Upgrade Paths for Cisco Unified Communications Manager Release 10.5(2)SU1

[http://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/td/i/templates/note.gif]
Note


________________________________
If your release is not listed in the following table, find the upgrade path 
from your current release to a listed release in Cisco Unified Communications 
Manager Software Compatibility Matrix for Release 9.X and Earlier at 
http:/​/​www.cisco.com/​en/​US/​docs/​voice_ip_comm/​cucm/​compat/​ccmcompmatr1.pdf<http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/compat/ccmcompmatr1.pdf>.
________________________________



Table 15 Export Restricted Supported Cisco Unified Communications Manager 
Upgrades for Release 10.5(2)SU1


10.5(2)SU1


10.5.2.11900-3


Active


February 24, 2015


Direct Upgrade:

10.5(2), 10.5(1)SU1a, 10.5(1)SU1, 10.5(1), 10.0(1)SU2, 10.0(1)SU1, 10.0(1), 
9.1(2)SU2a, 9.1(2)SU2, 9.1(2)SU1, 9.1(2), 9.1(1a), 9.1(1), 9.0(1),

8.6(2a)SU5, 8.6(2a)SU4a, 8.6(2a)SU4, 8.6(2a)SU3, 8.6(2a)SU2, 8.6(2a)SU1, 
8.6(2a),

8.6(2), 8.6(1a), 8.6(1)


Supported: (Consult the Cisco Unified Communications Manager Upgrade Guide for 
details)

8.5.(1)SU7, 8.5.(1)SU6, 8.5(1)SU5, 8.5(1)SU4, 8.5(1)SU3, 8.5(1)SU2,

8.5(1)SU1, 8.5(1), 8.0(3a)SU3, 8.0(3a)SU2, 8.0(3a)SU1, 8.0(3a),

8.0(3), 8.0(2c)SU1, 8.0(2c), 8.0(2b), 8.0(2a), 8.0(2), 8.0(1),

7.1(5b)SU6(restricted), 7.1(5b)SU5(restricted), 7.1(5b)SU4(restricted),

7.1(5b)SU3(restricted), 7.1(5b)SU2(restricted), 7.1(5b)(restricted),

7.1(5a)(restricted), 7.1(5)SU1a(restricted), 7.1(5)SU1(restricted),

7.1(5)(restricted), 7.1(3b)SU2, 7.1(3b)SU1, 7.1(3b), 7.1(3a)SU1a,

7.1(3a)SU1, 7.1(3a), 7.1(3), 6.1(5)SU3, 6.1(5)SU2, 6.1(5)SU1,

6.1(5), 6.1(4a)SU2, 6.1(4a), 6.1(4)SU1, 6.1(4)


However in the Read Me notes for 10.5.2 Su1 it states the following


 

Version and Description

This SU is a cumulative update that incorporates all of the fixes and changes 
from Cisco Unified Communications Manager 10.5(2) along with additional changes 
that are specific to this SU.

Note

You can only install this SU on Cisco Unified Communications Manager Release 
6.1(4x), 6.1(5x), 7.1(3x), 7.1(5x), 8.0(x), 8.5(1x), 8.6(x), 9.0(x), 9.1(x), 
10.0(1), 10.5(1), or 10.5(2) This SU will not install over any 10.5(2)ES’s. 
Upgrades from 6x, 7x, 8.x, and 9.x need to be requested via PUT 
(www.cisco.com/upgrade<http://www.cisco.com/upgrade>) to obtain the necessary 
license. This SU should not be installed on a Business Edition 3000 server.

I would normally always go with what is says in the compatibility matrix, 
however my colleague has just done an upgrade albeit in a lab from 8.5.1 direct 
to 10.5.2 SU1.

Anyone know if he just got lucky or if that is now supported?

Regards

Nick




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