My point was that more often then not, certified people aren't what they
seem. I like the fact that people want to learn more, because it keeps
"everyone" on their toes and learning about new technology. Part of the
problem is the industry's lack of insight into these so called certs. They
have put too much faith in them and its really the experienced guys who have
to take time out to teach newbies. No, no newbies stole my job, I welcome
the challenge tho, I doubt they could do it as effective as I do today. I'm
not saying they can't do it, but I can do it better and faster, and downtime
is
$$$$$$. Prove it on an exam ? I will in about 2 weeks. Certification is a
formality for those that have been in the industry for a while, for others
it is their foot in the door. I truly believe that there are a couple out of
a hundred that are new to the industry and truly understand concepts and
what they are doing. Its unfortunate that its the other 96 or so people that
give the certs a bad rap. And yes some are idiots, not most, not all, i said
some. I believe that certs show a level of understanding ( don't get that
confused with KNOWLEDGE). Knowledge implies some sort  of experience that
most don't have. I would be glad to call you, but I don;t have the time, and
its long distance...



""Wilfredo M. Ruelos"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> You sounded like some newbies has stole your job. Do you have something
against up and coming people who just want to learn about Cisco and
consequently be certified for it.  I do not belong to this group of guys for
i have been on this business for 12 years but i'm not insecure if too  many
of them are coming up.  Did'nt you said that experience alone can prove your
qualification.  Then why you cannot prove it on some exam which you pointed
out as unimportant and to easy for you.
> The guy did not called me an idiot, you do! so if you really want to talk
about it i have included my address and telephone number so we can discuss
it without cluterring this list.
> And oh yeah. I've been a victim of guys like you twelve years ago.  I
cannot make myself part of it now.
> Wilfredo M. Ruelos
> Network Engineer
> Riyad Bank -Riyadh Data Center
> Tel +966-1-472-2750 ext 299
>
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