Very well thought out and educated response on certification.
Thank You..
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Berger wrote:
> i totally agree with you.. . . it is an opportunity to learn and get some
> sort of recognition of your effort.. some employers don't have a positive
> impression of certs merly because of some minorities who 'memorise' exam
> questions and actually passed..! it was a good thing Cisco maintain a high
> standard in their questions so that only those who deserve it will get
> it.......
>
> cheers for cisco....
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> RG
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:52 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply
>
>
> Very well said!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Macaulay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "The.Rock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:30 AM
> Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply
>
>
> > "certs don't prove anything" ??? I'm not sure that I can agree with that
> > statement. Certs IMHO represent an interest by the individual in the
> subject
> > matter, and a determined effort to undertake studies necessary to become
> > more knowledgeable.
> >
> > Certainly, obtaining a cert. does not make one a guru. But it usually
> > (albeit not all the time) indicates a person who has shown some
> willingness
> > to learn. I view the knowledge I gained by studying for my certs as a
> > foundation to be built upon over the coming years. Perhaps I have only a
> > passing or introductory knowledge of some subjects at this juncture -- but
> I
> > assume -- and I certainly hope that as every year passes, I will build
> upon
> > that foundation knowledge and at some point I will undergo a slow, but
> > steady metamorphosis into a guru of sorts! But at this juncture with my
> > certs, I would certainly agree that I have just enough knowledge to be
> > dangerous! <smile>
> >
> > I would compare the cert study to obtaining academic and professional
> > degrees. Certainly upon graduation, grads are not experts in any area,
> but
> > they possess the fundamentals upon which to build. A lawyer, for example,
> > may indeed represent any survivors of a plane crash is his/her back yard
> on
> > the day he/she is admitted to the Bar, but law school graduation and
> passing
> > a Bar Examination DOES NOT indicate an expertise -- but it does indicate
> the
> > individual has the foundational knowledge and the potential to become an
> > expert at some point in the future. I would submit that the same goes for
> > physicians, accountants, architects, etc.
> >
> > I think that the real problem is how these certs. have been marketed.
> > Instead of promising IMMEDIATE big bucks, the certs, should be an entry
> > ticket into this career. Individuals who possess these certs should be
> > respected for the time, effort and interest they have shown in studying
> for
> > and obtaining a cert. But whether they are PAPER CERTS is truly a
> > mischaracterization. As I put forth above, every academic or professional
> > degree is indeed initially a paper cert -- but with potential. IT folks
> who
> > obtain these certs by and large have the potential to succeed. Just as
> > there are bright, average and incompetent lawyers, doctors and others, the
> > same would hold true in our field. Some individuals in inately intuitive,
> > without certs, and others -- the majority -- will become the average IT
> > Joe/Jane who work day-to-day in this field. Certainly there will always
> be
> > the small numbers who are totally incompetent. But it is not because the
> > certs are merely paper.
> >
> > That's my 2 cents.
> >
> > Greg Macaulay, CCNP, CCDP, MCSE
> > Attorney/Law Professor (Retired)
> > Lifetime member of AARP
> > Oldest CCNP/CCDP in existence
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > The.Rock
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:33 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Reply to The Rock
> >
> >
> > oh yeah one more thing...In case you forgot, certs don't prove anything
> > you really are an idiot if you think they "prove " something). The only
> > prove your ability to regurgitate info that you supposedly learned. Having
> > the know how, and knowing how to use are two different things. Lets say
> your
> > 8 years old and I give you a bunch of craftsman tools, does that mean you
> > certainly can't handle responsibility if your a "victim".
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