"The.Rock" wrote:
>
[snip]
> While people here are
> talking about CCNA like its some of major accomplishment.
> CCIE=accomplishment. CCNA=not really worth the paper its printed on at this
> point. CCNA is a small piece of the puzzle. Come on people this isn't the
> whole enchilada!!! NEWSFLASH!!!!
Newsflash back at ya, your opinions dont = truth, or deft analysis. I
dont see ANY posts lauding the CCNA as the be all and end all of the
certification world, OR any CCNA's claiming to be the uber-network-guru
of this sector of the galaxy (or whatever), so who, exactly, is your
longwinded rant targeted at?
Since, regardless of your decade + of exp, you are not yet a CCNA, why
dont you stop wasting time, and bandwidth, and run out and take the
test? In fact, go ahead and take BSCN, BCMSN, BCRAN, and CIT to achieve
CCNP.
Oh, you say your not familiar with the IOS to the degree necessary to
pass ICND 2.0. Well, then, guess what? You are deficient. At least with
respect to Cisco reqs concerning certification. If you dont value a
Cisco cert, or respect them, then why post here? I mean, whats your
point, exactly? You've not added a scintilla of interesting technical
info to the thread.
Seems to me this is simply another troll to spread FUD. I half expect
you will introduce juniper into the discussion soon.
Cisco certs are cisco specific, just as Novell, M$, Vines (remember
Street Talk, anyone, the 1st directory service?)etc. If you want a non
vendor specific cert, get a CNX or equiv. If you simply want to rant
concerning the deficiency of CCNA's, then consider this:
How will you, and others, view that cert once you have achieved it?
That's a rhetorical question, dont reply. But, dwell upon it. Will at
least ONE CCNA out there (YOU) be worthy? Maybe there are a few more
like YOU. If your company requires it, then be a good do bee, and get
it. If not, then pretend it doesn't exist, to the extent that you can,
unless unqualified CCNA candidates are constantly calling your boss, who
is inclined to hire them, and put you out. If that is the case, well,
you chose the company you work for...
And you can tilt at windmills forever more about the dimwitted nature of
folks who hire, and how they, HR, and 'technical' recruiters cant
separate a knowledgeable candidate from a doorstop. But, its always been
that way, and it always will be. Especially so in a field where the
defacto, and actual standards change as often as they do in IT. So, your
lament is for naught. All you can change is you. And, if thats what you
are about, you will mitigate your frustrations with the world via the
satisfaction you get from a job well done. If you are all about changing
the world, then, I am glad you are not on my team.
The 'NA cert is an intro level cert. Its that simple. No one here is
claiming otherwise. In spite of your contrary opinion.
No need to respond.
Mark Mahoney
CCNP CNE MCP
>
> ""Belt, Louie"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > If I gave you all of the manuals and engineering specs on a car and told
> you
> > to study them and then tested you on every detail in those books and you
> > were able to pass the test would that prove anything?
> >
> > If I then gave you all of the tools and all of the parts to a car and
> said
> > "build it" and you successfully built it, and I then sent you away and I
> > broke the car (in several ways) and told you to come back and fix it and
> you
> > were able to fix it would this prove anything?
> >
> > Obviously it would prove a lot. This is what the CCIE certfication is
> like.
> > You must study all of the networking manuals and know every detail and
> pass
> > a difficult exam to prove your knowledge. Then you are given all of the
> > tools and equipment you need and you must build an extremely complex
> routing
> > and switching network in a very short amount of time using very limiting
> > rules. If you succesfully complete the task, you then get to leave while
> > someone "breaks your network in any untold number of ways" you are then
> > told to fix it once again in a very limited time frame.
> >
> > If you can accomplish this, then you become a CCIE. I think the CCIE
> > certification proves a lot. It proves you have the knowledge, the ability
> > and the troubleshooting skills. It also shows you can work under pressure
> to
> > accomplish a goal in a limited time.
> >
> > But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong <grin>
> >
> > Louie Belt
> > CCIE #7054
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: The.Rock
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 3/19/01 11:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Reply to The Rock
> >
> > oh yeah one more thing...In case you forgot, certs don't prove anything
> > you really are an idiot if you think they "prove " something). The only
> > prove your ability to regurgitate info that you supposedly learned.
> > Having
> > the know how, and knowing how to use are two different things. Lets say
> > your
> > 8 years old and I give you a bunch of craftsman tools, does that mean
> > you
> > know how to work on a car if someone said fix it? probably not. And
> > there's
> > my point. You have the tools, but do you really know how to use them,
> > most
> > newbys don't, although they have a clue ( or at least some do) they are
> > unsure. If you truly are experienced in every sense of the word, yes I
> > believe that alone, can prove your qualification. I'll take a guy with
> > "experience" anyday over someone who is certified and little experience.
> > Your the victim??? Of what ?? I didn't do it, nobody did anything to
> > you,
> > you make your own desicions, live with them. You must be a newbie cause
> > you
> > certainly can't handle responsibility if your a "victim".
> >
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