I do agree with you on many points Jason, but not all networking jobs deal
with the LAN. Eventually, I do plan to learn about Microsoft. UNIX, Ect....
But being in my current situation, my best course of action would be to work
on the CCIE.
In my earlier writing I was trying to emphasize the point that there are
many paths to take, but there is only one best path. I could choose to work
on learning the LAN now, but it is my belief that working towards the CCIE
would benefit me the most in the long run. I definitely do not plan to just
get the CCIE and then avoid the LAN alltogether. That wouldn't be a very
wise move.
It's common knowledge that any lab-certified CCIE is pretty much guaranteed
six figures. In some cases companies recruit CCIE's just to achieve silver
or gold status with Cisco. Also, many positions within ISP's do not require
any LAN experience.
Fred
>From: "Jason J. Roysdon"
>Reply-To: "Jason J. Roysdon"
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Certification Ego! (was Failed CCDA) [7:1929]
>Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:27:43 -0400
>
>I won't argue that it's always wise to follow what other people did, but I
>will make a few points.
>
>First is that unless you know at least a very good entry-level knowledge of
>networking beyond the Cisco product line, you're not very useful. A CCIE
>who has never touched NT or Unix, bah, I don't see a huge value.
>
>I guess it varies on what you're doing and wanting to do, but for me, 70%
>of
>my time is spent helping a customer figure out what in the world they need
>me to do with the routers. I had a customer today that was going to deploy
>a DHCP server on each subnet because they didn't understand any other way
>to
>do it. If I didn't know NetWare DHCP and NT DHCP servers, I wouldn't have
>been able to help them today beyond just saying "configure you DHCP server
>for scopes for those subnets." Yes, I know how to do the "ip
>helper-address," but unless they can configure their DHCP servers, that
>knowledge doesn't do much. As it is, I spent 15 minutes explaining how the
>whole thing would work, and then the rest of the day configuring scopes and
>then finally implementing "ip helper-address" on all the necessary
>interfaces.
>
>So, I do think it's necessary to have a good foundation in various areas.
>No, you don't need a paper cert to have that experience, but if you're
>going
>to learn it and can chase down certs, you might as well so that you've got
>proof to show customers who go bug-eyed at certs.
>
>It's like that commercial (I think IBM does it), where two consulting guys
>are telling this high-up exec a huge list of things he should implement.
>He
>listens (clueless, of course), and says, "Great, do it!" to which they
>reply
>something like, "Oh, we don't do anything, we just give consulting as what
>you need to do."
>
>Tomorrow I will be explaining to a customer why they need to not permit all
>DMZ traffic into their Internal LAN, and what changes they'll have to make
>on their servers, including, but not limited to, DNS and WINS. I don't
>think there is anything in Cisco's line that will test you on those topics.
>
>I know for me, the CCIE is not the "ultimate," but it's pretty damn high up
>there. I have doubts I'll go back and upgrade my MCSE to Win2k if I get my
>CCIE and can avoid it. I guess my point is once you get to a certain
>level,
>you're less likely to want to go back and do the things that would help you
>more as they seem of a lesser value or skill set. I do know that I won't
>be
>doing my CNE, but then I doubt those who don't have to deal with Novell on
>a
>daily basis see it as useful these days.
>
>--
>Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+
>List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/
>
>
>
>""Fred Danson"" wrote in message
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> > One thing that I ALWAYS notice when asking someone else for advice is
>that
> > they ALWAYS advise me to take the same path that they did. No matter how
> > dissimilar out situations are, I will always be advised to take the same
> > route that they took.
> >
> > For example, when I was finishing up with my CCNP certification, I asked
>for
> > advise from several other people who also were finishing their CCNP
> > certifications. A few of the people that I asked were MCSE's and they
>all
> > told me to go for MCSE before CCIE. Their reasoning was that I wouldn't
>be
> > able to understand the WAN unless I had a solid understanding of the
>LAN.
> > Now I do think that there is some logic to this statement, but I
>definitely
> > did not think that it made sense to put CCIE on hold for 5-6 months just
>to
> > learn more about Microsoft.
> >
> > I think their real reasons for giving me such crappy advice is that
>they're
> > afraid to admit that they made a mistake. If they suddenly realized that
> > they wasted 7 months learning about Microsoft, would they be willing to
> > admit this? I really doubt it! They would tell me to do what they did so
> > they can boost their own egos! Or on the other hand, they wouldn't tell
>me
> > not to do what they did because they would hurt theie egos.
> >
> > So now, instead of blindingly taking someone's advice, I take a
>realistic
> > look at all of my options. Being only 20 years old, I was advised by
>many
> > "experienced professionals" to give it a few years before attempting the
> > CCIE. Does it really take that long to learn all this stuff? I really
>don't
> > think so. There is an abundance of information out there, and all you
>have
> > to do is put in the extra effort to learn it. Heck, I didn't even know
>what
> > a Router was until about 7 months ago, and I already have CCNA, CCDA,
>CCNP,
> > and CCIE written.
> >
> > My point here is, don't listen to anyone that isn't in the same
>situation
>as
> > you! Take a realistic look at your options and go for it!
> >
> > Fred Danson
> >
> > P.S. - I have a problem with the statement "youth is a unique illnes
>that
> > heals with time only". From what I hear, the older portion of the CCIE
> > candidates typically struggle with the time constraints on the CCIE Lab.
>To
> > my knowledge, cheese and wine are the things that improve with age. They
>may
> > have the wisdom, but you got the speed. Go for it!
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Ruben Arias"
> > >Reply-To: "Ruben Arias"
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1865]
> > >Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:09:11 -0400
> > >
> > >we're not offended because of your age, we're scared to death...
> > >by the way, youth is a unique illnes that heals with time only.
> > >Ruben
> >
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