However those days are practically gone.
With the recent restructuring of the Channel program which reduces the
amount of CCIE's by up to 75% for Gold and Silver partners - just being a
CCIE won't be enough.
Your resume will have to show accomplishment and ability, and be a CCIE.
Kevin Wigle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Danson"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April, 2001 21:04
Subject: Re: Certification Ego! (was Failed CCDA) [7:1929]
> I do agree with you on many points Jason, but not all networking jobs deal
> with the LAN. Eventually, I do plan to learn about Microsoft. UNIX,
Ect....
> But being in my current situation, my best course of action would be to
work
> on the CCIE.
>
> In my earlier writing I was trying to emphasize the point that there are
> many paths to take, but there is only one best path. I could choose to
work
> on learning the LAN now, but it is my belief that working towards the CCIE
> would benefit me the most in the long run. I definitely do not plan to
just
> get the CCIE and then avoid the LAN alltogether. That wouldn't be a very
> wise move.
>
> It's common knowledge that any lab-certified CCIE is pretty much
guaranteed
> six figures. In some cases companies recruit CCIE's just to achieve silver
> or gold status with Cisco. Also, many positions within ISP's do not
require
> any LAN experience.
>
> Fred
>
>
> >From: "Jason J. Roysdon"
> >Reply-To: "Jason J. Roysdon"
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Certification Ego! (was Failed CCDA) [7:1929]
> >Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:27:43 -0400
> >
> >I won't argue that it's always wise to follow what other people did, but
I
> >will make a few points.
> >
> >First is that unless you know at least a very good entry-level knowledge
of
> >networking beyond the Cisco product line, you're not very useful. A CCIE
> >who has never touched NT or Unix, bah, I don't see a huge value.
> >
> >I guess it varies on what you're doing and wanting to do, but for me, 70%
> >of
> >my time is spent helping a customer figure out what in the world they
need
> >me to do with the routers. I had a customer today that was going to
deploy
> >a DHCP server on each subnet because they didn't understand any other way
> >to
> >do it. If I didn't know NetWare DHCP and NT DHCP servers, I wouldn't
have
> >been able to help them today beyond just saying "configure you DHCP
server
> >for scopes for those subnets." Yes, I know how to do the "ip
> >helper-address," but unless they can configure their DHCP servers, that
> >knowledge doesn't do much. As it is, I spent 15 minutes explaining how
the
> >whole thing would work, and then the rest of the day configuring scopes
and
> >then finally implementing "ip helper-address" on all the necessary
> >interfaces.
> >
> >So, I do think it's necessary to have a good foundation in various areas.
> >No, you don't need a paper cert to have that experience, but if you're
> >going
> >to learn it and can chase down certs, you might as well so that you've
got
> >proof to show customers who go bug-eyed at certs.
> >
> >It's like that commercial (I think IBM does it), where two consulting
guys
> >are telling this high-up exec a huge list of things he should implement.
> >He
> >listens (clueless, of course), and says, "Great, do it!" to which they
> >reply
> >something like, "Oh, we don't do anything, we just give consulting as
what
> >you need to do."
> >
> >Tomorrow I will be explaining to a customer why they need to not permit
all
> >DMZ traffic into their Internal LAN, and what changes they'll have to
make
> >on their servers, including, but not limited to, DNS and WINS. I don't
> >think there is anything in Cisco's line that will test you on those
topics.
> >
> >I know for me, the CCIE is not the "ultimate," but it's pretty damn high
up
> >there. I have doubts I'll go back and upgrade my MCSE to Win2k if I get
my
> >CCIE and can avoid it. I guess my point is once you get to a certain
> >level,
> >you're less likely to want to go back and do the things that would help
you
> >more as they seem of a lesser value or skill set. I do know that I won't
> >be
> >doing my CNE, but then I doubt those who don't have to deal with Novell
on
> >a
> >daily basis see it as useful these days.
> >
> >--
> >Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+
> >List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/
> >
> >
> >
> >""Fred Danson"" wrote in message
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > One thing that I ALWAYS notice when asking someone else for advice is
> >that
> > > they ALWAYS advise me to take the same path that they did. No matter
how
> > > dissimilar out situations are, I will always be advised to take the
same
> > > route that they took.
> > >
> > > For example, when I was finishing up with my CCNP certification, I
asked
> >for
> > > advise from several other people who also were finishing their CCNP
> > > certifications. A few of the people that I asked were MCSE's and they
> >all
> > > told me to go for MCSE before CCIE. Their reasoning was that I
wouldn't
> >be
> > > able to understand the WAN unless I had a solid understanding of the
> >LAN.
> > > Now I do think that there is some logic to this statement, but I
> >definitely
> > > did not think that it made sense to put CCIE on hold for 5-6 months
just
> >to
> > > learn more about Microsoft.
> > >
> > > I think their real reasons for giving me such crappy advice is that
> >they're
> > > afraid to admit that they made a mistake. If they suddenly realized
that
> > > they wasted 7 months learning about Microsoft, would they be willing
to
> > > admit this? I really doubt it! They would tell me to do what they did
so
> > > they can boost their own egos! Or on the other hand, they wouldn't
tell
> >me
> > > not to do what they did because they would hurt theie egos.
> > >
> > > So now, instead of blindingly taking someone's advice, I take a
> >realistic
> > > look at all of my options. Being only 20 years old, I was advised by
> >many
> > > "experienced professionals" to give it a few years before attempting
the
> > > CCIE. Does it really take that long to learn all this stuff? I really
> >don't
> > > think so. There is an abundance of information out there, and all you
> >have
> > > to do is put in the extra effort to learn it. Heck, I didn't even know
> >what
> > > a Router was until about 7 months ago, and I already have CCNA, CCDA,
> >CCNP,
> > > and CCIE written.
> > >
> > > My point here is, don't listen to anyone that isn't in the same
> >situation
> >as
> > > you! Take a realistic look at your options and go for it!
> > >
> > > Fred Danson
> > >
> > > P.S. - I have a problem with the statement "youth is a unique illnes
> >that
> > > heals with time only". From what I hear, the older portion of the CCIE
> > > candidates typically struggle with the time constraints on the CCIE
Lab.
> >To
> > > my knowledge, cheese and wine are the things that improve with age.
They
> >may
> > > have the wisdom, but you got the speed. Go for it!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Ruben Arias"
> > > >Reply-To: "Ruben Arias"
> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1865]
> > > >Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:09:11 -0400
> > > >
> > > >we're not offended because of your age, we're scared to death...
> > > >by the way, youth is a unique illnes that heals with time only.
> > > >Ruben
> > >
> >
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