I almost never follow the suggestions of a Sniffer. ;-) Most Sniffers don't
offer suggestions. NAI's expert system does, but the suggestions are often
misleading and indicate problems that aren't really problems.
A Sniffer assembles bits and bytes into fields. It lets me troubleshoot
instead of spending time assembling bits and bytes manually. I know what
the fields mean and how to use them for troubleshooting. That's what's
important.
If the test must ask about RIF fields, then it should bring it up a level.
The level it asks about this topic isn't the same level it asks about other
topics. It doesn't ask us to manually decode BPDUs for example.
Priscilla
At 07:17 PM 5/24/01, Louie Belt wrote:
>And a calculator can do math for you, but would you substitute your
>knowledge of math for a dependancy on a calculator? If all you want to do
>is follow the suggestions of a sniffer, then do so. If you want to learn
>networking then invest the time to undertand what it is the sniffer is
>telling you. I assume from your comments you would also prefer to use the
>web based configuration utilities for switches and routers - that way you
>don't have to know the syntax. I guess the CCIE lab is outdated as well.
>
>Louie
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Brian
>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:30 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: CCIE written is outdated. [7:5756]
>
>
>exactly, I was just talking about this with a study partner, and the
>obsession with bits in the header is really deep here, and the canonical
>inversion stuff makes my brain hurt. I would think most packet sniffers
>would do this for you.
>
>Brian "Sonic" Whalen
>Success = Preparation + Opportunity
>
>
>On Thu, 24 May 2001, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
>
> > At 04:59 PM 5/24/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >But do I really need to know how to read a RIF? How often do you read a
>RIF?
> >
> > I don't think so. That's one of the silliest topics, in my opinion. If
you
> > had to read a RIF you would use a protocol analyzer that would decode it
> > for you.
> >
> > >I know some day you could run into a situation where you really need to
>know
> > >how to read a RIF or know how to configure Apollo, Banyan VINES or XNS.
I
> > >guess I am just frustrated with the trivial parts of this test.
> > >
> > >Does anyone else out there feel this way about this test?
> > >
> > >
> > >. ----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz"
> > >To:
> > >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:49 PM
> > >Subject: Re: CCIE written is outdated. [7:5756]
> > >
> > >
> > > > Just from a learning standpoint, I agree the lab and written should
> > > > coincide. Perhaps a desktop/legacy specialization might be in order.
> > > >
> > > > But there's a finite amount that people can learn and demonstrate,
> > > > and frankly, I'd rather see somewhat more depth in IP, and also MPLS,
> > > > than having lots and lots of depth yet being somewhat superficial in
> > > > the things you need to know about really big networks. Perhaps my
> > > > design bias is showing.
> > > >
> > > > I do wonder about X.25. There's an old Army saying that you never
> > > > need a pistol until you need one very, very much. I still believe
> > > > X.25 can be an extremely useful niche protocol.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >I agree you should know how to do that stuff but I think the written
>and
> > >the
> > > > >lab should coincide.
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Darren Crawford"
> > > > >To:
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:04 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: CCIE written is outdated. [7:5756]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Because as a CCIE you should know how to do this stuff. ;^)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> D.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> At 01:04 PM 05/24/2001 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > >> >The following have been removed from the lab. Why haven't the
>been
> > > > >removed
> > > > >> >from the CCIE written?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >LAT, DECnet, Apollo, Banyan VINES, ISO CLNS, XNS, ATM LANE, and
> > X.25.
> > > > >> >Effective February 1, 2001, Appletalk will also be removed from
>the
> > >lab
> > > > >exam
> > > > > > >content.
> > > > >
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> > > > >>
> > > > >> Darren S. Crawford
> > > > >> Network Systems Consultant
> > > > >> Lucent Technologies - Sacramento
> > > > >>
> > > > >> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > >>
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