""Brian"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Woah, all I was saying was that there are some scum out there that will pass > the written and claim to be CCIE.
Oh, OK. Good, we're on the same page. I have also seen situations where guys are more subtle about it, and say that they "have passed the CCIE exam", implying that they are fully-fledged CCIE's, when what they actually passed was the written exam. So what they said is not technically a lie, but rather a tricky Clinton-esque parsing of words (i.e. "I was not having sexual relations with her, she was having sexual relations with me"). And of course, it leaves them with a nice 'exit strategy', because their CCIE claim is implied, but never explicitly stated, so if they are later challenged, they just say that they never said that they were full CCIE's, and they must have been misunderstood. So what I see is that there is just too much opportunity for confusion and fraud. and the best thing to do is just not to make any mention of a CCIE-written. Either you're a CCIE or you're not, and any attempts to try to come up with a "quasi-CCIE" status just opens the door to all kinds of confusion and fraud. Now of course some of you might counter by saying that fraudsters will just find another way, but hey, anything you can do to make fraud harder is good. Some crime will always exist in society, but that doesn't mean you should stop trying to fight it. > Bri > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nrf" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680] > > > > ""Brian Whalen"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > If I put in the effort to pass the written, I'd have no problem telling > > > people that in an interview. From the employer's perspective, if a > > > candidate says I'm a CCIE, its up to the employer to ask him/her to > prove > > > it. > > > > Well, to me, it's all a matter of misrepresentation and fraud. Saying > that > > you passed the written is one thing. There's nothing wrong with that. > But > > listing such an accomplishment as a cert is something else. The fact is, > > the written is not a cert, and people who try to claim that it is are > > entering into a hazy ethical area. > > > > And, I'm sorry, but I must say that I do not agree with your last > sentence. > > I don't want to start a flame war, and yes, I concur that employers should > > most definitely check out their candidates. But if I read you correctly, > > you are implying that if a candidate claims to be a CCIE (but is actually > > not), then it is completely the employer's responsibilities to check that > > claim out, and the candidate has no culpability in the matter. > > > > Now, I'm not sure that's what you meant, but if it is, then why stop > there? > > To continue that logic, then it should be perfectly acceptable for > > candidates to lie about their college degrees and their work experience > too. > > Why not? In fact, why doesn't every job candidate just hand in a resume > of > > complete fiction? > > > > Now you might respond that any employer that just accepts the claims of a > > candidate without checking them out is basically asking to be screwed > over. > > Yes, of course that is true. But on the other hand, to only blame the > > employer is really a case of blaming the victim. Yes, that employer is > > stupid. But that's not to say that the lying candidate bears no > > responsibility in the matter. > > > > So the way I see it is, it all becomes a slippery slope - a question of > > 'where do you draw the line?'. If you choose to misrepresent yourself in > > one part of your resume to get a job, then why not misrepresent yourself > in > > every area? To me, it's pretty black-and-white. Either your resume is > the > > truth, or it isn't. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23753&t=23680 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
