""Kevin Wigle"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > If you read further into the site you will that the FCPA is proposing to > deliver hands-on testing at both junior and senior levels of certification. > > They have buy in from the major vendors such as Cisco, Microsoft, Novell and
CL: ironically, all three of the above have contributed mightily to the whole "paper cert" syndrome! > Red Hat. > > Both Novell and Red Hat and talking it up as the "capstone" to their certs, > but not as a replacement. > > People who have CCIE / CDE / RHCE certs will be awarded a FCPA cert without > being tested. > > Which is a bit funny as the list has from time to time "discussed" paper > CCIEs. > > Since the FCPA cert is just another lab, I don't know how it would be > different from any other. It still doesn't "automatically" mean yoou have > real world experience, just real lab experience. > > However, it is almost a daily discussion where I work about how someone has > some initials but can't seem to troubleshoot out of a paper bag. Quite > often people are sent off on courses but are not "motivated" to take the > exam. Anybody can sit at the back of the classroom and play solitaire - not > everyone passes the exam. > > A "hands-on" exam I think would be very beneficial as another tool to assess > a person's ability. Still, as mentioned we will always be able to debate > the "lab/real world" gambit but at least the whole discussion would be on a > higher plane. > > However, being on a "vendor neutral" plain, anyone can walk in and take the > exam without pre-requisites. This could be enhanced by having a real > pre-requisite of having the vendor's "paper" cert before attempting the lab. > > But this can be debated also. On the site in one of the meeting minutes was > an interesting quote: > http://www.fieldcertification.org/Composition/Steering_Committee_Meeting_Min > utes_06-18-01.htm > > Eighty Pound Weight: Mr. Brown commented that he believed a company could > spend a million dollars designing a multiple-choice test which accurately > predicts whether a person is likely able to lift an eighty-pound weight or, > the test taker could prove this ability merely by being asked to lift an > eighty-pound weight. Mr. Brown believed the FCPA. effort is attempting to > have technology workers prove themselves by "lifting eighty pound weights." > > > I think I like what FCPA wants to accomplish but the devil is always in the > details and whether yet another certification will gain industry acceptance. > > In this regard, the FCPA seems to have attracted participation from a lot of > the industry's top vendors so maybe the time is right for performance based > testing............. > > Kevin Wigle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck's Long Road" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 6:00 PM > Subject: Re: Lookee Lookie - new certifications!!!! [7:54435] > > > > check further into the site: > > > > http://www.fieldcertification.org/Field_Certification.htm > > > > read all about "field certification" > > > > also > > > > http://www.fieldcertification.org/How_It_Works.htm > > > > sure looks like a whole new level of certification to me. > > > > not that I disagree with the principal here. But the home page ( and > Cisco's > > site ) does talk about this > > > > "Get the Field Certified Professional (FCPT) credential to assert yourself > > as the real IT professional with actual skills and set your credential > apart > > from the paper ones! " > > > > Like I said - a whole new certification to certify that your certification > > is better than some "paper" certification. > > > > I can hardly wait. > > > > Chuck > > > > -- > > > > www.chuckslongroad.info > > like my web site? > > take the survey! > > > > > > > > ""Steven A. Ridder"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Not sure I saw any new certifications, just a new org. to certify > > > ""Chuck's Long Road"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Check this out" > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/fcpa.html > > > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > http://www.fieldcertification.org > > > > > > > > AND > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fieldcertification.org/Membership/Pre_Qualification.htm > > > > > > > > Now you can get a certification that certifies that you are > certified!!! > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > www.chuckslongroad.info > > > > like my web site? > > > > take the survey! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=54459&t=54435 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
