Q1 You need to fill up dimensions . Use a sanctioned plan of you have one or use the schedule with your sale deed. According to the rules if the actual dimensions are different you are liable for giving wrong info. In the case of apts it is not clear how much of common area is included in SBA. This is relevant because Tax for common areas is to be paid by the concerned building association and the rate is lower, I think. Don't know whose is the legal responsibility. Do not depend on the knowledge of the helper. Best is it us your old SAS form. This is another trip. IF you have not completed the old SAS form there are penalties for not having paid correct tax!
Q2 Anyone can pay the tax! Strange but true. That is why there is a rule somewhere that payment of tax is not proof of ownership. Q3 Very important to keep copies of all your filings. With the new technology it is possible fro the BUMP to scan and keep electronic copies for easy reference. And of you do not have your copy then you are their mercy. The GIS system, if properly used is, a help. For instance it can only have what has been entered. This is wholly dependent on physical verification which is in the hands of the revenue department and in actual fact deans on a low paid Tax Inspector. So be prepared to have it wrong or missing . But what is there can be seen by anyone, Check out the Property register with PID numbers and find out how many , other than apartment buildings are paying a fair tax. Q 4. Tax is to be paid for the six month calendar block in which it was registered. This clarification is in the Handbook on the BBMP site. No tax is paid before because the building is technically non-existent before it is registered. Provides an interesting case of conflict between completion, occupation certificate and registration. Also many cross connections between building, getting water and sewage connection and electricity - all from different agencies. Each of course offers short cuts also. Trust this helps. R. P. Coelho ----- Original Message ----- From: Anil kumar To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: CAF3082 Re: Property Tax woes ! Q1) Do I need any documents along with the application form ? You don’t need any document, it is a self assessment. If it is a new assessment you should fill up the concerned form such as Form I for those having PID, Form II for person having Katha without PID(CMC & TMC area), form III for those don’t have katha and PID No. Q2) In case the owner is not available and he wants to pay tax how is this possible and what are the necessary steps to be taken ? Does it require authorization letter ? A GPA ? Get a power of attorney. Q3) Does anybody has links / documents to previous years property tax ? I can meet personally take a copy and return it back ? The previous amount is same as this year only the zonal changes are effected and only 24% cess in the new SAS whereas in the old SAS it is 34% (IF you can provide me the exact location such as road, place of the property, area etc., of the property I will help you calculating the tax. Q4) What if my flat is registered in Jan 09 ? As per the handbook we need to pay tax the instance we got BESCOM connection or Khata whichever is earlier, we got BESCOM before Jan 09. Who pays tax for months before Jan 09 ? The builder ? All these clarifiction is provided as far as my knowledge is concerned, If any of our enlightened members have any other clarification they are welcome to post the same on the board. --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Avinash Kalmani <[email protected]> wrote: From: Avinash Kalmani <[email protected]> Subject: CAF3078 Re: Property Tax woes ! To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 12:32 AM Dear Citizens, I hope this will be my last mail on queries for property tax at this forum. BBMP guys are confusing me a lot. Every person gives a different answer. I have lost hope. I have taken this initiative and volunteered for my apartment to drive people to pay tax. I think you all in this group are seniors and have deep knowledge about property tax. Please give me some pointers to take it forward. Queries: Q1) Do I need any documents along with the application form ? Q2) In case the owner is not available and he wants to pay tax how is this possible and what are the necessary steps to be taken ? Does it require authorization letter ? A GPA ? Q3) Does anybody has links / documents to previous years property tax ? I can meet personally take a copy and return it back ? Q4) What if my flat is registered in Jan 09 ? As per the handbook we need to pay tax the instance we got BESCOM connection or Khata whichever is earlier, we got BESCOM before Jan 09. Who pays tax for months before Jan 09 ? The builder ? Regards, Avinash On 2/28/09, Anil kumar <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Avinash, Please prepare a letter to the Joint Commissioner(Revenue) BBMP seeking clarification of Zone and submit under acknowledgment with a copies marked to the Commissioner and to the Administrator. Let them reply in writing about the correct zonal classification, If its a mistake let them issue a press statement about the mistake. With regards, Anil --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Avinash Kalmani <[email protected]> wrote: From: Avinash Kalmani <[email protected]> Subject: CAF3048 Re: Property Tax woes ! To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 8:22 AM Thank you all for your pointers. Indeed I took some efforts to meet Mahadevpura RO. His take was that apartments must not be mentioned in the Zonal documents. It is a mistake that our apartment mentioned and is falling under Zone F, as per him its Zone E. The Zone classification is based on main roads. He said if we go as per the document then BBMP will slap a penalty later since our apartment guidance value has increased, hence its Zone E. If all our apartment owners shift from Zone F (which is official released document) to Zone E then the delta amount BBMP gains is overall around 4 Lakhs. Overall I am not convinced by AROs/ROs verbal communication, when asked if he can give in writing, he played safe saying "RO can only give information, he cannot guide or mis-guide you". BTW now all the property tax related documents are uploaded to BBMP online link including the handbook. I wish Forms were also a part of this ..:)) http://bmponline.org/propertytax/recent%20amendments.shtml I will contact the Jt.Commissioner mentioned by Mr.T.Vidyadhar. Thanks once again. Regards, Avinash On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Anil kumar <[email protected]> wrote: The quiery has come from the internt, i had replied accordingly --- On Fri, 2/27/09, TANIAPPA VIDYADHAR <[email protected]> wrote: From: TANIAPPA VIDYADHAR <[email protected]> Subject: CAF3043 Re: Property Tax woes ! To: [email protected] Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 9:21 PM Many are not internet savy, sir T.Vidyadhar. --- On Fri, 27/2/09, Muralidhar Rao <[email protected]> wrote: From: Muralidhar Rao <[email protected]> Subject: CAF3039 Re: Property Tax woes ! To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 27 February, 2009, 6:33 PM You don't need the book. All the particulars are there in the web-link provided by Anil. Muralidhar Rao On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:55 PM, TANIAPPA VIDYADHAR <[email protected]> wrote: One of the residents of Anand Nagar in Hebbal constituency complained to me regarding non availability of reciept books and residents were asked to come the next day to collect reciept. As usual BBMP was supplying handbook as and when they were made available from Govt Press( may be having out dated printing press or may not be having generator if power fails) and they were in short supply. Then they started printing reciept books and these were in short supply agonising the citizens. I can understand the delay in printing hand book as the rules of the game changed so fast. Why reciept books were not made ready ? Hello, the promoters of Govt control ::. A simple planning failure, causing inconveniences to citizens.On top of this corrupt practises by some , but not all. Meanwhile I found out that BBMP has to accept when you have filed yr Tax form as per the Manual. If you any one troubles please call Puttaswamy -9845504455, Jt Commissioner ( revenue) BBMP. You call in front of the guy who is refusing to take or confusing you. So consider the hand book as bible , do not ask the priests who never read bible. T.Vidyadhar --- On Fri, 27/2/09, Muralidhar Rao <[email protected]> wrote: From: Muralidhar Rao <[email protected]> Subject: CAF3034 Re: Property Tax woes ! To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 27 February, 2009, 2:00 PM Mr Avinash The inspector's job is to confuse people and make money. Go by the book, and if he doesn't accept it, take up the matter through the association. Muralidhar Rao On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:46 PM, TANIAPPA VIDYADHAR <[email protected]> wrote: I suggest that u strictly go through the manual furnished by BBMP. Many of the staff who are recieving the Tax are ignorant of the rules. There was an educated retired Officer knowing the rule through the booklet, asked the guy at the Tax mela for a clarification. He misguided the educated person and later the retired Official was cursing the BBMP. But why should he ? Just follow the instructions in the booklet. U will be fine. T.Vidyadhar --- On Fri, 27/2/09, Avinash Kalmani <[email protected]> wrote: From: Avinash Kalmani <[email protected]> Subject: CAF3032 Property Tax woes ! To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 27 February, 2009, 11:45 AM Hello Citizens, I need some suggestions how to proceed with the mess that I am facing for payment of property tax. My apartment falls in Zone F as per the published document from BBMP. http://www.bmponline.org/propertytax/newzones_R/M%20Pura.pdf Now when I go to the RO help centre to pay the property tax, he says we fall in Zone E. When I ask his Senior he guides me to go with the published document which contradicts and is Zone F. What is legally correct ? Since its a SAS (Self Assessment Scheme) and I adhere to the published documents from BBMP can they later come and give a penalty ? Anyone has some links to SAS 2000 documents with Zone information ? Thanks in advance. Regards, Avinash ------------------------------------------------ Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Click here. ------------------------------------------------ Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. ------------------------------------------------ From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. 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